Alberta government thread

[MilEME09]

No one is happy.

Most Albertans disapprove of Smith as premier and her handling of separatism: Ipsos poll | Globalnews.ca

The Ipsos poll suggests while the UCP enjoys slight edge over NDP, the majority of Albertans disapprove of Premier Danielle Smith and her handling of the separatist issue.

globalnews.ca

Majority of Albertans Disapprove of Danielle Smith’s Performance

56% disapprove of Smith’s performance as Premier and 58% disapprove of her handling of the separation issue; but UCP (48%) still has a narrow lead over NDP (45%) among voters.

www.ipsos.com

And Snith continues to add fuel to the fire, the government quietly this past week eliminated all 300+ public health inspectors in the province.

 

[MilEME09]

Smith said today no one's buying into her pipeline because its to risky....gee what could make it so risky....like separation.....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2066590192992178462

 

[QV]

And Snith continues to add fuel to the fire, the government quietly this past week eliminated all 300+ public health inspectors in the province.

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Are you and they talking about this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-public-health-inspectors-aupe-hsaa-government-negotiations-9.7235004

"The Alberta government, as part of its health-care reform, passed legislation last year to move inspectors from the provincial health-care agency to the health ministry. As a result, their union would also change, from the Health Services Association of Alberta (HSAA) to the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees (AUPE)."


Nothing to see here... with the reforms AHS won't have oversight on regulations, the ministry will and that is where the inspectors are going.

 

[Altair]

Smith said today no one's buying into her pipeline because its to risky....gee what could make it so risky....like separation.....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2066590192992178462

I said it before and I'll say it again.

A pipeline will happen when the province of Alberta finances it.

The government of Canada paid for the last one, Alberta can pay for this one.

 

[MilEME09]

Are you and they talking about this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-public-health-inspectors-aupe-hsaa-government-negotiations-9.7235004

"The Alberta government, as part of its health-care reform, passed legislation last year to move inspectors from the provincial health-care agency to the health ministry. As a result, their union would also change, from the Health Services Association of Alberta (HSAA) to the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees (AUPE)."


Nothing to see here... with the reforms AHS won't have oversight on regulations, the ministry will and that is where the inspectors are going.

The concern here is we are moving environmental public health directly under cobtrol of a government that has a history of interference. There is also the violation of labour rights by forcing 380 plus inspectors to take a pay cut and lose benefits by coming under the provincial government work force vs AHS. Health inspectors are already over worked here, and this will make it worse.

 

[QV]

The concern here is we are moving environmental public health directly under cobtrol of a government that has a history of interference. There is also the violation of labour rights by forcing 380 plus inspectors to take a pay cut and lose benefits by coming under the provincial government work force vs AHS. Health inspectors are already over worked here, and this will make it worse.

This is just noise. How is this any different than federal job amalgamations or cuts? This isn't a gotcha by any means.

 

[foresterab]

This is just noise. How is this any different than federal job amalgamations or cuts? This isn't a gotcha by any means.

The issue as I understand it is two fold - 1) accept the transfer of position which comes with reduced pay and benefits as their role/pay/classification doesn't exist or 2) accept a termination that will not allow them to work in the province for a year.

Unlike other amalgamations/layoffs usually if you were in a higher level position you would lateral over at the higher wage and be frozen until your wage aligns with the department pay. Instead this the Alberta government saying we're moving your department but also going to cut your wage, benefits and other ???....or you have to move provinces to be gainfully employed. If you stay in Alberta you may not be paid for the full year where you are not allowed to work.

Considering this was a job that often was understaffed prior to this move....can't see how this helps things long term unless you don't want the government asking nasty questions like why mice are living in kitchens and cockroaches in the pantries.

 

[MilEME09]

Considering this was a job that often was understaffed prior to this move....can't see how this helps things long term unless you don't want the government asking nasty questions like why mice are living in kitchens and cockroaches in the pantries.

Working for a company that does 3rd party inspections, you cant only do so much under the food code when you dont have enforcement power. Big chains usually are the best because its their corporate image at stake. But for the small mom and pop shops? Not so much, all those home catering businesses that usually get ordered shut down might get missed now if we lose a bunch of our health inspectors. Not to mention they might not be free of political interference.

 

[childs56]

Smith said today no one's buying into her pipeline because its to risky....gee what could make it so risky....like separation.....

https://twitter.com/x/status/2066590192992178462

More to do with the BC government playing the what's in it for me program along with a few of the native groups.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

A pipeline will happen when the province of Alberta finances it.

Even if Alberta did pay for the pipeline BC and the federal government will not allow the pipeline to go in unless it is on their full terms which makes it to expensive and not realistic to do at this time. That north coast tanker ban only effects the price to ship, there are smaller tankers running the area regularly.
It is funny how the C Gov was against the LNG lines but magically have a deal struck with Germany and just like magic they support LNG expansion.

The government of Canada paid for the last one, Alberta can pay for this one.

Only after the cancelled the project. They swooped in to save the day lol

 

[Altair]

Even if Alberta did pay for the pipeline BC and the federal government will not allow the pipeline to go in unless it is on their full terms which makes it to expensive and not realistic to do at this time. That north coast tanker ban only effects the price to ship, there are smaller tankers running the area regularly.
It is funny how the C Gov was against the LNG lines but magically have a deal struck with Germany and just like magic they support LNG expansion.

Considering that the most likely route is the southern route, most of this is moot.

Only after the cancelled the project. They swooped in to save the day lol

In america private interests are willing to spend money to make money and assume risks.

In Canada, private interests want to be handed everything and pampered.

Which is fine, but its why Canadian companies get obliterated on the global stage when they face competition.

Bombardier, Blackberry, Sears, Nokia, Hudson Bay, Eatons, the list goes on and on.

The fact that energy companies sitting on untold hundreds of billions of dollars are too cautious to spend money building a pipeline when the Feds removed most every roadblock is indicative of the small minded risk adverse, corporate cowardice that plagues the private sector in Canada across every industry.

Which is why i said from the start, before the MOU was even signed, Alberta is going to need to pony up. Only way it gets built.

 

[childs56]

Considering that the most likely route is the southern route, most of this is moot.

In america private interests are willing to spend money to make money and assume risks.

In Canada, private interests want to be handed everything and pampered.

Which is fine, but its why Canadian companies get obliterated on the global stage when they face competition.

Bombardier, Blackberry, Sears, Nokia, Hudson Bay, Eatons, the list goes on and on.

Bombardier is a tale of protectionism that has no bounds for using tax payer money and turning out dismall results. Even when they had a vast offering of not only aerospace but other transport. The other ones were sign of the times, where slow adaptation left them scrambling.

The fact that energy companies sitting on untold hundreds of billions of dollars are too cautious to spend money building a pipeline when the Feds removed most every roadblock is indicative of the small minded risk adverse, corporate cowardice that plagues the private sector in Canada across every industry.

There is more factors then the simple in your face. One of the main ones is the lack of consistency of both provincial (BC) and federal government policy in regards to this project which includes a few oil and gas lines to the coastal BC. Then you have to factor in many of those Canadian companies are heavily financed by the US giants. Who currently buy cheaper Canadian oil. They have a lot to loose if Canada can trade their oil and even gas overseas for higher rates.

Which is why i said from the start, before the MOU was even signed, Alberta is going to need to pony up. Only way it gets built.

The long lead times on getting approvals and then the update to the original approvals and the rest of the bureaucracy is what spurs uncertainty in Canadian industry. The Government takes a decade to buy a new handgun , and a few decades to buy a new fighter jet, even when it has been approved three or four times.
Private industry does not have the appetite to sink a billion dollars into a project only to have the provincial/federal/Natives pull the rug out from underneath them midway through the initial phase.
They really are not fans of having the government build a project and have cost/project overruns to the tune of billions. That drives the cost of operation and business up that is not realistic for normal operations.

 

[Altair]

Bombardier is a tale of protectionism that has no bounds for using tax payer money and turning out dismall results. Even when they had a vast offering of not only aerospace but other transport. The other ones were sign of the times, where slow adaptation left them scrambling.

Every top canadian company works within the canadian ecosystem with little to no competition. That, and we are good at taking stuff out of the ground and selling it to other who then make highee quality stuff or power factories that make higher quality stuff.

There is more factors then the simple in your face. One of the main ones is the lack of consistency of both provincial (BC) and federal government policy in regards to this project which includes a few oil and gas lines to the coastal BC. Then you have to factor in many of those Canadian companies are heavily financed by the US giants. Who currently buy cheaper Canadian oil. They have a lot to loose if Canada can trade their oil and even gas overseas for higher rates.

Like i said. Alberta can pony up or shut up.

The long lead times on getting approvals and then the update to the original approvals and the rest of the bureaucracy is what spurs uncertainty in Canadian industry. The Government takes a decade to buy a new handgun , and a few decades to buy a new fighter jet, even when it has been approved three or four times.
Private industry does not have the appetite to sink a billion dollars into a project only to have the provincial/federal/Natives pull the rug out from underneath them midway through the initial phase.
They really are not fans of having the government build a project and have cost/project overruns to the tune of billions. That drives the cost of operation and business up that is not realistic for normal operations.

Except everything you described has been mitigated.

Approvals? Streamlined

Environmental approval ?Simplified.

Industrial Carbon tax? Lowered.

Tanker ban? Potentially gone for a new project.

BC premier? Okay with a southern route.

And all of that means nothing, canadian industry still isnt interested.

To which i say, good. The mask is off. They complained for years that all of the above prevented them from building pipelines. Yet carney bins most of them and they still sit on their hands.

They are liars or cowards or both.

 

[childs56]

Every top canadian company works within the canadian ecosystem with little to no competition.

Except most times competition comes along the protected few eastern Canadian companies cry foul and somehow need more money and they get it.

That, and we are good at taking stuff out of the ground and selling it to other who then make highee quality stuff or power factories that make higher quality stuff.

Yes and no. We make some pretty good high quality stuff also. We do not make all the high quality stuff at the levels required, it is not always possible to ship a "finished" product economically.

Like i said. Alberta can pony up or shut up.

LOL, they are doing what one should be doing as provincial government. Getting all the administrative hurdles dealt with so private industry can have a safe and secure environment to which they can conduct business. Without interference from other provincial governments and federal parties creating to many uncertainties while changing the goal posts every step of the way.

Except everything you described has been mitigated.

If that is what you think I have ocean front property to sell you in Swift Current Sk.

Approvals? Streamlined

on paper yes in reality no.

Environmental approval ?Simplified.

On paper yes in practice no

Industrial Carbon tax? Lowered.

LOL for a five year window. A real result would be to eliminate it all together.

Tanker ban? Potentially gone for a new project.

LOL until it is lifted without a pile of caveats which have nothing to do with the actual safety side of things I will believe it.

BC premier? Okay with a southern route.

Sure why is that one should ask.......... More cost, more environmental impact, more regulatory requirements and more chance the private company will say it is not feasible in the current conditions. Then the BC government can say well we tried to work with them but they choose to not work with us.

And all of that means nothing, canadian industry still isnt interested.

I disagree, they are very much interested in building pipelines and facilities. Just head north to the Peace River region there is lots of of privately funded hundreds of millions to billion dollar projects being funded. Hopefully the pipelines will get built or the same thing will happen as it did in 2009.

To which i say, good. The mask is off. They complained for years that all of the above prevented them from building pipelines. Yet carney bins most of them and they still sit on their hands.

They are liars or cowards or both.

LOL, they aren't willing to spend billion dollars to be told sorry wont approve your pipeline because we changed the goal post again.

 

[MilEME09]

LOL, they aren't willing to spend billion dollars to be told sorry wont approve your pipeline because we changed the goal post again.

What goal post has been moved? Since the new act was brought in, 8+ major and minor pipelines projects have been approved. If anything people arent wanting to invest with the uncertainty of separation, and US trade war.

 

[Altair]

LOL, they are doing what one should be doing as provincial government. Getting all the administrative hurdles dealt with so private industry can have a safe and secure environment to which they can conduct business. Without interference from other provincial governments and federal parties creating to many uncertainties while changing the goal posts every step of the way.

If Alberta needs a pipeline to thrive it will pay for one. If they don't, they clearly don't need it to thrive. Alberta has the fiscal capacity to fund a pipeline, and they have a federal government willing to work with them. If they don't take advantage of this situation, then clearly it's not that important.

LOL, they aren't willing to spend billion dollars to be told sorry wont approve your pipeline because we changed the goal post again.

Either the private sector and/or the provincial government need to make a move. If they don't I have no pity for them, they will have taken their best opportunity in a decade and binned it.

 

[childs56]

What goal post has been moved? Since the new act was brought in, 8+ major and minor pipelines projects have been approved. If anything people arent wanting to invest with the uncertainty of separation, and US trade war.

what 8 major/minor pipelines have been approved? What were their proposed dates and what are their expected finish dates.
everyday pipelines are being built, maintained etc in Western Canada for various reasons. Often to tie in new wells and or stations.

If Alberta needs a pipeline to thrive it will pay for one. If they don't, they clearly don't need it to thrive. Alberta has the fiscal capacity to fund a pipeline, and they have a federal government willing to work with them. If they don't take advantage of this situation, then clearly it's not that important.

What your not understanding is the money is there to build a pipeline. The ACTUAL FINAL approval is not.

Either the private sector and/or the provincial government need to make a move. If they don't I have no pity for them, they will have taken their best opportunity in a decade and binned it.

Lol

 

[Altair]

What your not understanding is the money is there to build a pipeline. The ACTUAL FINAL approval is not.

How does one approve or deny a proposal that hasn't been made?

 

[childs56]

How does one approve or deny a proposal that hasn't been made?

Past project(s).

Put it to you like this.
Did we require Lockheed Martin to build Canada 20 F35 in anticipation of us signing the deal back in 2010?

Did we have Irving shipyard invest their own money to order all the parts required to build the new CSC. Then start building the first ship without a signed contract?

 

[QV]

Canadians would be paying additional $1000 a year if it weren't for Alberta's contribution: report

Alberta's net contribution over the past nine years is a projected $321.9 billion — nearly four times that of British Columbia.

nationalpost.com

"From 2007-2008 to 2026-2027 Albertans’ net contribution is a projected $321.9 billion, according to the research — nearly four times British Columbia’s at $87.8 billion and more than five times Ontario’s at $59.6 billion."