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All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

RangerRay said:
Fixed that for you.
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Probably what would happen, its also suspicious they refuse to say who in the administration they are meeting with, and I doubt a loan was the only talking point.

www.ctvnews.ca

‘Very high level’: Alberta separatist group won’t say which Trump officials it met with

While an Alberta separatist group confirms it had meetings with U.S. officials over the past year, its leaders won’t say which members of U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration they have spoken with directly.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 
Just saw this. Scroll down to the succession poll from last September. For those hanging their hat on polls this isn't looking good. 41% believe Alberta would be better off as an independent country.

www.ekospolitics.com

Dread Deepens to Record High as Canadians Rally to a More Churchillian Carney

[Ottawa – January 30, 2026] Canadians are entering 2026 with a darker view of the world than at any point in the past generation. A record proportion now believe the world is becoming more dangerou…
www.ekospolitics.com
 
MilEME09 said:
When Harper and Chrétien are united against seperstism, people should start realizing this isnt a partisan issue.
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Was it ever a partisan issue? Except for the PQ and BQ, which parties federally or provincially that can win enough seats to have official party status in their respective legislatures have sided with separatists?
 
MilEME09 said:
When Harper and Chrétien are united against seperstism, people should start realizing this isnt a partisan issue.
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It is a partisan issue, because the support for separation is almost entirely right wing, and the loudest opposition comes from the left.

I keep seeing peiple mention culture, and how AB doesn't have it's own, but that is false. If we didn't have competing cultural visions, we wouldn't have the "culture wars" going on driving political polarization.

The culture in AB calling for separation isn't cowboys and frontiersmen, its people on the outside of the prevailing culture in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancluver, and Quebec. The culture isn't exclusive to AB, but its critical mass in Canada is centered there, so thats where the seperation talk comes from. If Canada cant figure out how to bridge the cultural gap, it's not just AB that's going to cause problems.
 
Furniture said:
It is a partisan issue, because the support for separation is almost entirely right wing, and the loudest opposition comes from the left.

I keep seeing peiple mention culture, and how AB doesn't have it's own, but that is false. If we didn't have competing cultural visions, we wouldn't have the "culture wars" going on driving political polarization.

The culture in AB calling for separation isn't cowboys and frontiersmen, its people on the outside of the prevailing culture in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancluver, and Quebec. The culture isn't exclusive to AB, but its critical mass in Canada is centered there, so thats where the seperation talk comes from. If Canada cant figure out how to bridge the cultural gap, it's not just AB that's going to cause problems.
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Jesus Christ. You win the internet today. Gold for you🏅.

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Furniture said:
It is a partisan issue, because the support for separation is almost entirely right wing, and the loudest opposition comes from the left.

I keep seeing peiple mention culture, and how AB doesn't have it's own, but that is false. If we didn't have competing cultural visions, we wouldn't have the "culture wars" going on driving political polarization.

The culture in AB calling for separation isn't cowboys and frontiersmen, its people on the outside of the prevailing culture in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancluver, and Quebec. The culture isn't exclusive to AB, but its critical mass in Canada is centered there, so thats where the seperation talk comes from. If Canada cant figure out how to bridge the cultural gap, it's not just AB that's going to cause problems.
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Im skeptical of the cultural angle honestly. Can it be quantified? Can it be defined? Is the rightwing populism thats driving separatists a cultural question or a political/technological one due to the growth online of such beliefs?

Im from about as far outside of the prevailing culture of Tor/Mtl as possible, from a rural Eastern-European descended farming community in rural MB. My grandfather grew up speaking Ukrainian, we rustled cattle on our farm, first time I had internet was 16 and the first time I was on a plane was 17. Prairie farm folk through and through. Ive never detected a separate and distinct culture from the prevailing Canadian culture in my travels of rural MB or rural SK for example, beyond some local quirks like social culture in MB, local customary language, etc. Generally everything is pretty well in line.
 
PrairieFella said:
Im skeptical of the cultural angle honestly. Can it be quantified? Can it be defined? Is the rightwing populism thats driving separatists a cultural question or a political/technological one due to the growth online of such beliefs?

Im from about as far outside of the prevailing culture of Tor/Mtl as possible, from a rural Eastern-European descended farming community in rural MB. My grandfather grew up speaking Ukrainian, we rustled cattle on our farm, first time I had internet was 16 and the first time I was on a plane was 17. Prairie farm folk through and through. Ive never detected a separate and distinct culture from the prevailing Canadian culture in my travels of rural MB or rural SK for example, beyond some local quirks like social culture in MB, local customary language, etc. Generally everything is pretty well in line.
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Youre kinda proving my point, that the culture divide isn’t specific to AB.

The culture of rural Canada tends to be very different in practical ways from the culture of urban Canada, regardless of the province/region. It tends to lean more conservative/right, while urban tends to lean more left/progressive.

After a decade of the left/urban side dominating politics, and vilifying the other side, its natural for the other side to be upset and looking to lash out. That the LPC changed leaders wasn't enough to satisfy their desire to see their side become ascendant. After a year or more of Carney acting like a CPC leader we might see more of the wind knocked out of the separatist's sails.
 
Furniture said:
Youre kinda proving my point, that the culture divide isn’t specific to AB.

The culture of rural Canada tends to be very different in practical ways from the culture of urban Canada, regardless of the province/region. It tends to lean more conservative/right, while urban tends to lean more left/progressive.

After a decade of the left/urban side dominating politics, and vilifying the other side, its natural for the other side to be upset and looking to lash out. That the LPC changed leaders wasn't enough to satisfy their desire to see their side become ascendant. After a year or more of Carney acting like a CPC leader we might see more of the wind knocked out of the separatist's sails.
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I find it hard to find true inspiration, patriotism and comradeship from leader who holds (held ?) various passports and who I expect when he leaves office will, I expect, run away from the country to go live under his other passports.

But I have preexisting biases against his chosen party. So there is also that.

I am also one of those Canadians who has trouble seeing himself in Canada anymore.
 
Furniture said:
It is a partisan issue, because the support for separation is almost entirely right wing, and the loudest opposition comes from the left.

I keep seeing peiple mention culture, and how AB doesn't have it's own, but that is false. If we didn't have competing cultural visions, we wouldn't have the "culture wars" going on driving political polarization.

The culture in AB calling for separation isn't cowboys and frontiersmen, its people on the outside of the prevailing culture in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Vancluver, and Quebec. The culture isn't exclusive to AB, but its critical mass in Canada is centered there, so thats where the seperation talk comes from. If Canada cant figure out how to bridge the cultural gap, it's not just AB that's going to cause problems.
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Case in point... Mr/ Comrade Treason Shamer ;)

To be fair, he's the 'King of the Worst Financial Situation in BC History', so he needs to distract people with "hey, look over there!"


B.C. premier doubles down on calling Alberta separatist movement seeking U.S. support 'treason'

Analyst warns Eby's language could push some 'separatist-curious' Albertans to become fully separatist

 
Alberta wants input on federal judicial appointments.


I wonder want "Alberta's distinct legal traditions" are.

It 's not clear in this article but it seems she want a committee of four - two from Alberta - to propose federal judicial appointments, including the SCOC. That seems balanced.

Edit to add: I just noticed this was discussed in the other Alberta thread. Apologies.
 
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PrairieFella said:
Im skeptical of the cultural angle honestly. Can it be quantified? Can it be defined? Is the rightwing populism thats driving separatists a cultural question or a political/technological one due to the growth online of such beliefs?

Im from about as far outside of the prevailing culture of Tor/Mtl as possible, from a rural Eastern-European descended farming community in rural MB. My grandfather grew up speaking Ukrainian, we rustled cattle on our farm, first time I had internet was 16 and the first time I was on a plane was 17. Prairie farm folk through and through. Ive never detected a separate and distinct culture from the prevailing Canadian culture in my travels of rural MB or rural SK for example, beyond some local quirks like social culture in MB, local customary language, etc. Generally everything is pretty well in line.
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As a soldier I've lived from coast to coast and many places in between over the last 30 years. It is apparent there are distinct cultural differences from region to region. And for the most part they are all very proud of their heritage and cultures. There are similarities but there are also distinct differences. Trudeau's declaration that Canada has no distinct identity and is the first post-nation state did a lot of harm.

I think it's safe to say that going forward any perceived lesser treatment in media or by the GoC with respect to Alberta and Albertans will fuel separatism more. Every benefit Quebec has that is not afforded to other jurisdictions, every reference to treason or other derogatory statements not equally applied to Quebec, every Provincial opposition to industry advancement (Que, BC) that fuels equalization program, every diminishment of Albertan's perceived cultural identity, and every harmful Trudeau era policy/law that remains in place or is still advanced. Unless there is a sudden reversal and a true "Team Canada" approach, I think division will grow and this train will only gather speed. You'd have to take ideology and special interests out of the equation and that's not happening.
 
Halifax Tar said:
You don't fight separatism and regionalism by demonizing the separatists.
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Sorry, but if they want to destroy my country, then I’m fine with stigmatizing separatists.

There’s legitimate grievances, which I mostly share. But I will stigmatize anyone who will use those grievances to destroy my imperfect country.
 
MilEME09 said:
People calling a liberal shill for being against AB separating suggests some think it is
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"Alberta separatism" may be a partisan issue. "Quebec separatism" may be a partisan issue. "Separatism" is not. The colour and direction of partisanship arises from the underlying politics and political structure of the country - another manifestation of longstanding east-west disconnects and resentments. I suppose the groups that might be consistently anti-separatist or consistently separatism-tolerant (the latter being mostly those who would like to separate) are either not very large or are not very loud.

It is a curious thing that people will argue that everyone will be poorer if a country splits up, but rarely that everyone will be richer if countries unite. Apparently most countries right now are just the right size.
 
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