All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[Brad Sallows]

Im not a fan of the status quo...

Me either. You must've read some of the positions I've taken; I'm not shy about unreasonable aspirations. But this is actually a limited issue with limited impact that could be settled on its own.

 

[Brad Sallows]

looks like CTV is picking up on the youtube channel story, and got a statement from youtube that they are investigating

A media agency reporting on attempts to sway public opinion...oh, the irony.

 

[Altair]

looks like CTV is picking up on the youtube channel story, and got a statement from youtube that they are investigating

Network of YouTube channels pushing U.S. annexation and Alberta secession narrative, report finds

A network of inauthentic YouTube channels posing as Albertan voices is spreading misleading content about separation and U.S. annexation, reaching tens of millions of viewers, according to a new report.

www.ctvnews.ca

Good.

These tech companies are allowing every bad actor to just flood social media with this garbage that has the sole effect of harming democracies.

I remember last year, when Israel and the USA bombed Iran the first time, a bunch of pro Scottish independence Twitter folks went silent, only to pop up again after the bombing stopped.

These groups are rarely home grown, and these channels are rarely run out of the places that insist they are serious about sovereignty.

And we are supposed to sit here and pretend to take these groups seriously. Nonsense.

 

[QV]

Anyone know how much polls shifted from prior to the last Quebec referendum vs what the actual vote turned out to be?

 

[Altair]

Anyone know how much polls shifted from prior to the last Quebec referendum vs what the actual vote turned out to be?

According to wikipedia, the no side had a 5-7 point lead which narrowed down to 1.

But there were 10-15 percent of people who were undecided and most broke to the no side.

Alberta, who has even worse reasons for wanting to leave Canada and has zero viable way to survive other than to join the USA probably has a lot more undecided and a even lower starting point.

And they don't have a lucien bouchard, unless people are foolish enough to think Jeffrey Rath is that.

I, for one, cannot wait for either the courts to stiffle this or a resounding no vote to.

 

[suffolkowner]

There is Canada in a sentence. All provinces are equal, some are just more equal.

reality of the constitution. unfixable

 

[Jarnhamar]

Canada is a door mat for the US, India, China,

I, for one, cannot wait for either the courts to stiffle this or a resounding no vote to.

Why does 30% of Albertans wanting to separate bother you so much?

 

[Altair]

Why does 30% of Albertans wanting to separate bother you so much?

The better question is why doesn't it bother you.

 

[brihard]

According to wikipedia, the no side had a 5-7 point lead which narrowed down to 1.

But there were 10-15 percent of people who were undecided and most broke to the no side.

Alberta, who has even worse reasons for wanting to leave Canada and has zero viable way to survive other than to join the USA probably has a lot more undecided and a even lower starting point.

And they don't have a lucien bouchard, unless people are foolish enough to think Jeffrey Rath is that.

I, for one, cannot wait for either the courts to stiffle this or a resounding no vote to.

The courts will not stifle it. Court rulings inhibiting the referendum will just aggravate their victim complex and make them more and more pissy pants, and less willing to turn to lawful mechanisms.

They’re going to lose. Hold the stupid referendum and just get it done with so they look and feel stupid, the soft support peels off, and meanwhile business have the confidence that they’ll remain protected by Canada’s system of law.

 

[MilEME09]

Why does 30% of Albertans wanting to separate bother you so much?

Because they are driven by misinformation, and their leadership has dubious morals, and history of deceit. They cant be trusted, especially when they cant even follow advertising law, or comply with investigations

 

[Altair]

The courts will not stifle it. Court rulings inhibiting the referendum will just aggravate their victim complex and make them more and more pissy pants, and less willing to turn to lawful mechanisms.

They’re going to lose. Hold the stupid referendum and just get it done with so they look and feel stupid, the soft support peels off, and meanwhile business have the confidence that they’ll remain protected by Canada’s system of law.

I don't much care about their victim complex. And if first nations treaties keep that referendum from seeing the light of day, all the better.

Referendums come with a cost, to investment and stability that we don't need to be dealing with just because some section of the UCP base is throwing a hissy fit.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Because they are driven by misinformation, and their leadership has dubious morals, and history of deceit. They cant be trusted, especially when they cant even follow advertising law, or comply with investigations

Like floor crossing MP's, voters can make their displeasure known in a couple years.

 

[brihard]

I don't much care about their victim complex. And if first nations treaties keep that referendum from seeing the light of day, all the better.

Referendums come with a cost, to investment and stability that we don't need to be dealing with just because some section of the UCP base is throwing a hissy fit.

So does all the uncertainty. My concern, and it’s informed by a perspective that maybe you don’t have (and that’s fine), is that if there’s not a rule of law way for the question to be put to the electorate and a definitive answer arrived at, then maybe a modest number of really stupid assholes might turn to violence. Cause that’s what a small cohort of independence-minded people sometimes do when otherwise stymied. I would much rather see those impulses lessened by having their chance at the ballot box.

 

[Altair]

So does all the uncertainty. My concern, and it’s informed by a perspective that maybe you don’t have (and that’s fine), is that if there’s not a rule of law way for the question to be put to the electorate and a definitive answer arrived at, then maybe a modest number of really stupid assholes might turn to violence. Cause that’s what a small cohort of independence-minded people sometimes do when otherwise stymied. I would much rather see those impulses lessened by having their chance at the ballot box.

I personally like the way the Spanish dealt with it.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Because they are driven by misinformation, and their leadership has dubious morals, and history of deceit. They cant be trusted, especially when they cant even follow advertising law, or comply with investigations

Well, that's evergreen for application to any political party...