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Me either. You must've read some of the positions I've taken; I'm not shy about unreasonable aspirations. But this is actually a limited issue with limited impact that could be settled on its own.
All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)
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A media agency reporting on attempts to sway public opinion...oh, the irony.
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Good.looks like CTV is picking up on the youtube channel story, and got a statement from youtube that they are investigating
Network of YouTube channels pushing U.S. annexation and Alberta secession narrative, report finds
A network of inauthentic YouTube channels posing as Albertan voices is spreading misleading content about separation and U.S. annexation, reaching tens of millions of viewers, according to a new report.www.ctvnews.ca
These tech companies are allowing every bad actor to just flood social media with this garbage that has the sole effect of harming democracies.
I remember last year, when Israel and the USA bombed Iran the first time, a bunch of pro Scottish independence Twitter folks went silent, only to pop up again after the bombing stopped.
These groups are rarely home grown, and these channels are rarely run out of the places that insist they are serious about sovereignty.
And we are supposed to sit here and pretend to take these groups seriously. Nonsense.
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According to wikipedia, the no side had a 5-7 point lead which narrowed down to 1.
But there were 10-15 percent of people who were undecided and most broke to the no side.
Alberta, who has even worse reasons for wanting to leave Canada and has zero viable way to survive other than to join the USA probably has a lot more undecided and a even lower starting point.
And they don't have a lucien bouchard, unless people are foolish enough to think Jeffrey Rath is that.
I, for one, cannot wait for either the courts to stiffle this or a resounding no vote to.
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reality of the constitution. unfixable
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Canada is a door mat for the US, India, China,
Why does 30% of Albertans wanting to separate bother you so much?
Why does 30% of Albertans wanting to separate bother you so much?
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The better question is why doesn't it bother you.
The courts will not stifle it. Court rulings inhibiting the referendum will just aggravate their victim complex and make them more and more pissy pants, and less willing to turn to lawful mechanisms.
They’re going to lose. Hold the stupid referendum and just get it done with so they look and feel stupid, the soft support peels off, and meanwhile business have the confidence that they’ll remain protected by Canada’s system of law.
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Because they are driven by misinformation, and their leadership has dubious morals, and history of deceit. They cant be trusted, especially when they cant even follow advertising law, or comply with investigations
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I don't much care about their victim complex. And if first nations treaties keep that referendum from seeing the light of day, all the better.
Referendums come with a cost, to investment and stability that we don't need to be dealing with just because some section of the UCP base is throwing a hissy fit.
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Like floor crossing MP's, voters can make their displeasure known in a couple years.
So does all the uncertainty. My concern, and it’s informed by a perspective that maybe you don’t have (and that’s fine), is that if there’s not a rule of law way for the question to be put to the electorate and a definitive answer arrived at, then maybe a modest number of really stupid assholes might turn to violence. Cause that’s what a small cohort of independence-minded people sometimes do when otherwise stymied. I would much rather see those impulses lessened by having their chance at the ballot box.
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I personally like the way the Spanish dealt with it.
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Well, that's evergreen for application to any political party...
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Yikes. They won't even hear from the guy that organized the Forever Canadian petition, even though it completely eclipses the other in verified signatures, reached it's goal first, and in a much shorter time frame.
www.ctvnews.ca
‘Abundantly clear’ Premier Smith is ‘assisting the separatists’: Forever Canadian petition organizer
Forever Canadian petition organizer Thomas Lukaszuk joins Alberta Primetime's Michael Higgins to discuss the meeting of a bipartisan committee that defeated the motion to hear from him about his petition.
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I hope you're not surprisedYikes. They won't even hear from the guy that organized the Forever Canadian petition, even though it completely eclipses the other in verified signatures, reached it's goal first, and in a much shorter time frame.
‘Abundantly clear’ Premier Smith is ‘assisting the separatists’: Forever Canadian petition organizer
Forever Canadian petition organizer Thomas Lukaszuk joins Alberta Primetime's Michael Higgins to discuss the meeting of a bipartisan committee that defeated the motion to hear from him about his petition.
I said back in October that DANIELLE Smith would not allow this to happen, regardless of the will of the people.
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There won't be any separation. Carney, supposedly, already said he'd invoke the Emergency Act. Likely cancel everyone's vehicle insurance and freeze their bank accounts.
Which makes me wonder if the government's appeal of the last court ruling, is intended to keep the threshold for invoking the Act at a low level. Our new PM appears to like the Act and the power that comes with it. He convinced trudeau to invoke the Act on the convoy and showed freeland how to freeze bank accounts. Now he's threatening to use it again.
Where I come down on the subject is immaterial. I don't see traitors and separatists. I see pissed off and pissed on Canadians who are not allowed to oppose the government mismanagement and downright deceit and having their future determined by an anti oil, net zero government in Ottawa. Canadians exercising their Constitutional rights to Freedom of Expression and being pillored for it. Have the referendum and vote. It will only come down one of two ways. Either it's a flash in the pan and will lose steam, or they will have a favourable return. In which case, it'll be time for carney's clowns to put on some big boy pants and bargain in good faith and in a timely matter, for a change.
Which makes me wonder if the government's appeal of the last court ruling, is intended to keep the threshold for invoking the Act at a low level. Our new PM appears to like the Act and the power that comes with it. He convinced trudeau to invoke the Act on the convoy and showed freeland how to freeze bank accounts. Now he's threatening to use it again.
Where I come down on the subject is immaterial. I don't see traitors and separatists. I see pissed off and pissed on Canadians who are not allowed to oppose the government mismanagement and downright deceit and having their future determined by an anti oil, net zero government in Ottawa. Canadians exercising their Constitutional rights to Freedom of Expression and being pillored for it. Have the referendum and vote. It will only come down one of two ways. Either it's a flash in the pan and will lose steam, or they will have a favourable return. In which case, it'll be time for carney's clowns to put on some big boy pants and bargain in good faith and in a timely matter, for a change.
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Based on what? A rambling, almost incoherent video? That won't be a problem if the referendum passes. There will likely be a pretty big leadership convention. First, they need to amalgamate all the groups into one large single entity. Vote in their leadership convention, arrange their policy and platform, pool their resources and start getting their message out to the masses. Then prepare for a negative media onslaught and prepare for disappointment and concessions.
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