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All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

Once the basic question was going to a referendum, I doubt the incremental cost of additional questions on the ballot added much. The basic question was important enough to go to a referendum and not be left to the vagaries of opinion polls.

The separatists had their democratic process and lost convincingly, although I find their support higher than I would have hoped. That should approximately end the issue as a serious discussion; undoubtedly noise will continue. I doubt the UCP will become a vehicle for a separatist party; if it does, I doubt it will last.

The additional questions which would require implementation powers outside the scope of the province might provide some fodder for federal-provincial discussion, but can mostly be ignored except as indicators of dissatisfactions which might be productively addressed somehow.

Everywhere else in Canada except QC I suppose separatist sentiment to be lower. This was the high water mark, short of any currently unimaginable outrageous impositions by the federal government on provinces or regions. I doubt QC sentiment right now approaches what it was for the prior two referenda.

Hopefully people will be able to talk about separation issues in future without some of those on the "remain" side losing their collective nut; "leavers" will probably still be irrationally impassioned.
 
One thing that gets on my nerves, I see this happening again and again. It was not just one question.

Many people outside Alberta didn't seem to understand there was one BIG question, should there be a referendum to separate and the other nine questions.

So stupid lazy comments like "No to the nine" struck me as slogany rather than thinking about it.

Some of these questions were very close, a few no contest. That tells me that many in Alberta have no intention NOW of leaving Canada but they have serious concerns on the senate, immigration, healthcare, etc. And this should be taken as a warning for Ottawa to heed (I suspect they know most of this).

If some in power just blow this off as "we won, who cares, business as usual" then be cautioned, the next time (in 5 years or 20 or whenever), you might see a much larger separation movement. With far more political power behind it.
 
I have a really hard time imagining the average resident getting worked up, let alone having an informed opinion on the operation of the Senate (which costs the province not a dime) or how superior court judges are selected.

The liberal use of the phrase "do you agree" to open most of the questions is hardly the most neutral way to form a question. Anybody who has sat in the witness box being questioned by defence counsel know the trap.
 
Rather than point fingers at Danielle or Uncle Mark or Keith Wilson looking for blame, I have a bigger concern. As for Jeff Rath (even the other separatist can't stomach him) let the law suits and legal challenges make him go away. He is in hot water and his big mouth is not gonna help.

On a personal note, please stop insulting those who were looking for a referendum on separation. They are obviously having huge issues with what is going on.

Where should we go from here? What do we do? Or do we just blow this off as "we won, who cares, business as usual"?

First on senate. I whole heartedly agree our whole senate structure is severely OUTDATED and if the attitude is "well it opens up the constitution and it won't happen/shouldn't happen", therefor don't bother. Well guys, we deserve to see more problems. Not Just Alberta Separation but expect Quebec and possibly others watching what is going on, including First nations to look to shake things up. In short, the worst COA is Canada ceases to exist eventually and it won't need a single American to do it. We will do it ourselves.

I wouldn't mind seeing an age breakdown of who voted what way in this and the urban/rural divide.

I personally think the senate needs to be reformed. I think it would be fair to have 5-10 senators (equal amount) representing each province, and half as many representing each territory (they are way smaller). Have some electoral measures to select them (like maybe a PR rep based on how the MPs are elected each province or directly electing them or directly elect them).

Now this may rub some the wrong way. Why is PEI still a province? Its smaller than many cities in Canada. I would advocate for merging it with NS or NB. Probably hurt feelings but hey didn't someone say "Nostalgia is not a strategy"? What real practical reason is for their for PEI to be its own province other than historical? They certainly don't need 4 senators.

Changes, transformations, amendments, etc are a way of life. And not changing anything because a few will find it upsetting is not a way forward.

Doing nothing and blow this all off? Then we will reap what we sow.
 
Oh look the wolves are eating each other

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Rather than point fingers at Danielle or Uncle Mark or Keith Wilson looking for blame, I have a bigger concern. As for Jeff Rath (even the other separatist can't stomach him) let the law suits and legal challenges make him go away. He is in hot water and his big mouth is not gonna help.

On a personal note, please stop insulting those who were looking for a referendum on separation. They are obviously having huge issues with what is going on.

Where should we go from here? What do we do? Or do we just blow this off as "we won, who cares, business as usual"?

First on senate. I whole heartedly agree our whole senate structure is severely OUTDATED and if the attitude is "well it opens up the constitution and it won't happen/shouldn't happen", therefor don't bother. Well guys, we deserve to see more problems. Not Just Alberta Separation but expect Quebec and possibly others watching what is going on, including First nations to look to shake things up. In short, the worst COA is Canada ceases to exist eventually and it won't need a single American to do it. We will do it ourselves.

I wouldn't mind seeing an age breakdown of who voted what way in this and the urban/rural divide.

I personally think the senate needs to be reformed. I think it would be fair to have 5-10 senators (equal amount) representing each province, and half as many representing each territory (they are way smaller). Have some electoral measures to select them (like maybe a PR rep based on how the MPs are elected each province or directly electing them or directly elect them).

Now this may rub some the wrong way. Why is PEI still a province? Its smaller than many cities in Canada. I would advocate for merging it with NS or NB. Probably hurt feelings but hey didn't someone say "Nostalgia is not a strategy"? What real practical reason is for their for PEI to be its own province other than historical? They certainly don't need 4 senators.

Changes, transformations, amendments, etc are a way of life. And not changing anything because a few will find it upsetting is not a way forward.

Doing nothing and blow this all off? Then we will reap what we sow.
None of what I said supports the Senate as it stands; either abolish or reform it. However, other than its cost, I'm curious how it fit in as a matter of grand importance in the eyes of the Alberta government.

Parliamentary or senate representation aside, what turns on whether or not PEI, or any other province, has provincial status? This seems to be a particularly Canadian angst. There are those who feel Toronto and northern Ontario should be on their own.
 
None of what I said supports the Senate as it stands; either abolish or reform it. However, other than its cost, I'm curious how it fit in as a matter of grand importance in the eyes of the Alberta government.

Parliamentary or senate representation aside, what turns on whether or not PEI, or any other province, has provincial status? This seems to be a particularly Canadian angst. There are those who feel Toronto and northern Ontario should be on their own.
Its kind of what I am getting at. there are no easy answers. I think its a serious discussion we need to have as a nation.
 
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