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All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

The Catholic Church seems to be standing out as the number one bad guy in the matter. The Presbyterian, Anglican, and United Churches all apologized in the early 90's and seem to have avoided most of the recent backlash.
 
Kilted said:
The Catholic Church seems to be standing out as the number one bad guy in the matter. The Presbyterian, Anglican, and United Churches all apologized in the early 90's and seem to have avoided most of the recent backlash.
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The Catholic church is an easy target. Its huge and wealthy. PLUS priests who...violate their vows to their god are numerous.
 
Kilted said:
The Catholic Church seems to be standing out as the number one bad guy in the matter. The Presbyterian, Anglican, and United Churches all apologized in the early 90's and seem to have avoided most of the recent backlash.
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I know it's Wikipedia, but this seems a good summary of where things stand right now regarding the churches. It seems that the RC church is the only one who hasn't come right out and said 'sorry':

Canadian Indian residential school system​


On May 29, 2017, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asked the current Pope Francis for a public apology to all survivors of the residential school system, rather than the expression of sorrow issued in 2009.[115][116][117] The request aligned with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's call for "a formal apology issued by the Pope to the survivors of the residential school system for the spiritual, cultural, emotional, physical and sexual abuse of Canada's First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples".[118] Trudeau invited the Pope to issue the apology in Canada. Although no commitment for such an apology followed the meeting, he noted that the Pope pointed to a lifelong commitment of supporting marginalized people and an interest in working collaboratively with Trudeau and Canadian bishops to establish a way forward.[115]

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Canadian Indian residential school system - Wikipedia

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PM Trudeau says Crown-Indigenous minister's text to Wilson-Raybould 'wrong' but defends her work​

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OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said a recent text from the Crown-Indigenous relations minister to Independent MP Jody Wilson-Raybould was “wrong” -- but he expressed confidence in Carolyn Bennett’s ability to remain in her position.

Addressing reporters on Friday, Trudeau said he was pleased to see Bennett apologize to her former colleague, that he knows “her heart” and recognizes the efforts she puts into the file.
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Loachman said:
Who is least likely to have torched them?

Who is most likely to have torched them?
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I don't agree with all this publication shares, but there's more than just a kernel of truth here about the Big Church-Indigenous spiritualism divide in some places. More grist for the mill ....
 
I don't agree with a lot of what I see in the various sources that I trawl, either regularly or sporadically, but there are worthy articles, of varying frequency, in all of them.

And that includes articles with which I disagree, because they make me think and re-evaluate.

No segment of any society anywhere is a solid monolith. There will always be different views.

This was a good one.

And I see more that I intend to read as well.

Thanks.
 
Loachman said:
... No segment of any society anywhere is a solid monolith. There will always be different views ...
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A variation on this that I tell people: nothing has everything, but everything has something.
Loachman said:
I don't agree with a lot of what I see in the various sources that I trawl, either regularly or sporadically, but there are worthy articles, of varying frequency, in all of them.

And that includes articles with which I disagree, because they make me think and re-evaluate ....
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100%
 
And again ....
Two more Catholic churches on Indigenous land in B.C.’s Interior burned to the ground early Saturday morning.

The latest were located on reserves in the Similkameen Valley, and come just days after two Catholic churches burned down on Indigenous land in the southern Okanagan.

Chief Keith Crow, of the Lower Similkameen Indian Band, said St. Anne’s Church on the Chuchuwayha reserve in Hedley and the Lower Similkameen Indian Band church, the Chopaka Church, were destroyed by fire at about 4 a.m.

He said the fires were suspicious and “possibly” linked to the other two in the Okanagan ...
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daftandbarmy said:
And another one....

Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief​


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Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief | Globalnews.ca

"That church was built by our ancestors in the late 1800s by the hands of our elders at the time with such a great sense of pride," Gitwangak elected Chief Sandra Larin said.
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It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.
 
Kilted said:
It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.
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Could be a copycat. The other four were all Catholic, and were destroyed.
 
Kilted said:
It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.
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The Anglicans ran schools as well
 
OldSolduer said:
The Anglicans ran schools as well
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But they apologized in 1993 - I know, not enough for some, but at least there's another template out there for other organizations.

Edited to add: Just spotted this - MSM maybe not getting every detail right notwithstanding, an interesting approach taken to getting churches to cough up money for reconciliation back in the mid-teens...
The failure of the Catholic Church's fundraising efforts for aboriginal healing and reconciliation means that other churches involved in the notorious residential schools have been let off the hook for more than $3-million in contributions.

The Catholic fundraising program collected just $3.7-million toward its $25-million goal. This reduced the totals required from the Anglican, United and Presbyterian churches, because each had signed a deal with the federal government that linked their contributions to aboriginal healing to those of the Catholics.

Catholic organizations ran most of the residential schools, and had the largest financial obligations of any church under Canada's 2007 settlement that ended thousands of individual and class-action lawsuits. The federal government spent an estimated $5-billion directly compensating 79,000 survivors.

The Anglican Church was allowed to keep $2.7-million it had raised for healing, and return it to local church communities. A church spokesman said many of those communities set up healing programs with their share of the money. The United Church was allowed to reduce its maximum obligation by $450,000, a church spokesman said. The Presbyterian Church had already put its maximum obligation of $1.3-million toward healing programs and therefore was contractually not in a position to receive anything back. The church says it effectively waived its right to get money back by spending it up front.

About 50 Catholic entities were obliged to use their "best efforts" to raise $25-million for healing and reconciliation. The $25-million was in addition to $29-million in cash for the Aboriginal Healing Foundation and $25-million in services to aboriginal communities.

In an e-mail exchange with The Globe, the government declined to provide a direct answer on what it did to ensure the Catholic groups lived up to their best-efforts promise. "The supervising Courts remain the authority for determining whether the terms of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement have been met," said spokeswoman Valérie Haché of the Indigenous and Northern Affairs department.

The government says its agreement releasing the Catholics from their financial contributions is confidential, even though a researcher for The Globe and Mail found a draft of it in a public court file at the Saskatchewan Court of Queen's Bench in Regina ...
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Kilted said:
That's not the prerogative of a private individual(s). It's still a criminal act and should be viewed as such regardless of the circumstances.
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And I am sure it will be viewed as a criminal act once they conclude that fact. Last I read, the authorities are treating these cases as suspicious. Once they have all their evidence I am sure they will conduct whatever criminal investigation is required.
 
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