All Things Red Poppy Merged Thread (sales, copyright, usage, bans/restrictions, etc.)

[Halifax Tar]

I don't see it as such, either, but there's a WIDE range of opinion in that direction out there: mostly "peaceniks" & anti-colonialists/SJW's (with the latter likely more now than in the past), folks at that end of the political spectrum.

In the spirit of "sharing to learn about the other team's plays, not to endorse," here's some commentary via leftist (ranging from progressive to harder-than-diamond hard core neo-Marxist) media:

Canada and Militarism: The Case Against the Poppy – Socialist Project

Progressives shouldn't buy or wear red poppies. Remembrance Day promotes martial patriotism, and the militaristic, imperialistic Royal Canadian Legion owns the copyright to the red poppy. Red poppies commemorate Canadians who have died at war. Not being commemorated are the Afghans or Libyans...

socialistproject.ca

The Remembrance Poppy is Becoming a Weapon Against Immigrants to Canada

Canada’s “diversity” is famous – or a bit infamous for the redneckers in a country larger than the US who still cannot quite accept that this is an

www.counterpunch.org

The poppy is over. Remembrance Day is not.

Small plastic flowers: The annual poppy controversy distracts us from grappling with Remembrance Day in a meaningful way

www.theprogressreport.ca

First link is by a guy who's among the cabal that thought Tom Mulcair wasn't socialist enough as NDP Supremo, to give you a sense of leftishness.

IIRC, the red poppy can also be a bit ... controversial among some in Northern Ireland, too.

Respectfully, I have no interest in waisting my time on drivel that is obviously erroneously politically motivated and written by people who send me to a gulag if the had the power.

 

[Jarnhamar]

First link is by a guy who's among the cabal that thought Tom Mulcair wasn't socialist enough as NDP Supremo, to give you a sense of leftishness.

That read was wild.

Progressives shouldn’t buy or wear red poppies. Remembrance Day promotes martial patriotism, and the militaristic, imperialistic Royal Canadian Legion owns the copyright to the red poppy.

Imagine how triggered this guy gets in November.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Worth the 20 mins IMHO.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If the numerous advertisements featuring the RCL's trademarked symbol that pop up on my screens are to be believed the campaign has changed to remembering and honouring "veterans".

The Poppy

À compter du dernier vendredi d’octobre, jusqu’au jour du Souvenir, des millions de Canadiens et de Canadiennes portent le coquelicot comme la promesse concrète de ne jamais oublier ceux et celles qui se sont sacrifiés pour notre liberté.

www.legion.ca

"Wear a Poppy to honour and remember Canada's Veterans."

I'll continue to wear a poppy in remembrance of those who made the ultimate sacrifice, but as much as I appreciate the thanks of my fellow citizens for my service, they do not need to include me in the symbology of the poppy.

To be fair, even in my presentations to Cadets and to others, I speak about how it came to be that we honoured our dead. But now we also remember those that came back, wounded both physically and mentally. To create a connection to the day for immigrants, I tell them to use the day and moment to remember whoever in their family paid such a price, so they go away with a understanding of what we are doing and a personal connection to the day.

 

[The Bread Guy]

That read was wild.

Yeah - lotsa left-wing buzzword bingo to be played in a lot of this stuff, for sure.

Imagine how triggered this guy gets in November.

Indeed.

Respectfully, I have no interest in waisting my time on drivel that is obviously erroneously politically motivated and written by people who send me to a gulag if the had the power.

Hey, being in a free country means being able to not read what we want, for sure. Still, can't fight the other side without knowing how the other side plays

 

[HavokFour]

I believe the poppy design is copyrighted by the Royal Canadian Legion and they have jealously guarded it in the past.

I just wish they and more people in general would get on the "wear more than once" train, and be more open to the ones made of longer lasting materials. It's incredibly sad that the vast majority end up in a landfill, considering what they're supposed to represent.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Hey, being in a free country means being able to not read what we want, for sure. Still, can't fight the other side without knowing how the other side plays

There is no fighting this ideology.

Hence my statement about being thrown in a gulag.

 

[YZT580]

I just wish they and more people in general would get on the "wear more than once" train, and be more open to the ones made of longer lasting materials. It's incredibly sad that the vast majority end up in a landfill, considering what they're supposed to represent.

when that happens the legion loses a major source of funding.

 

[The Bread Guy]

There is no fighting this ideology.

Hence my statement about being thrown in a gulag.

They used to say that in USSR 1.0, too, before the wall came down - mind you, how much better things are can be open to debate, but still …

 

[OldSolduer]

I believe the poppy design is copyrighted by the Royal Canadian Legion and they have jealously guarded it in the past.

Correct iirc. The Legion got upset at the Winnipeg Jets one year because they had the nerve to put a poppy sticker on their helmets. I could be wrong though,

And Remembrance Day is for the Fallen and no one else.

 

[Brad Sallows]

when that happens the legion loses a major source of funding.

I donate every year, but don't take a poppy. I'm somewhere past 15 years' use on the one I have.

 

[brihard]

I donate every year, but don't take a poppy. I'm somewhere past 15 years' use on the one I have.

Same. I’m several years on the same one with the in center, but every year I shove a $20 in the poppy box.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I donate every year, but don't take a poppy. I'm somewhere past 15 years' use on the one I have.

I have 2-3 I use, too, and donate every year. Once in a while, I'll take a few to keep in the car for anyone who needs one.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

when that happens the legion loses a major source of funding.

Just back from tagging with the Cadets, lot's of people with poppies on, donating. Who is tagging, their personality, level of engagement and having a tap machine will determine the level of donations.

 

[Haggis]

And Remembrance Day is for the Fallen and no one else.

Exactly!

I went for a haircut yesterday as I will be representing my agency at local Remembrance ceremonies over the next few days. My local village barber is a big supporter of veterans and law enforcement and will give free haircuts to vets during the days before Nov 11.

He will be wearing his poppy until month's end as he believes if Blacks, LBGTQ2+, Asians etc. all get a "heritage" month, but vets and the fallen don't then that is unfair in his eyes. Which led to us having this exact discussion.

I think this is partly due to American influence as Nov 11 is their Veteran's Day, which celebrates living vets while their Memorial Day, in May, honours the fallen. Now the week prior to Nov 11 has been called "Veteran's Week" by our government, which further muddies the water and obscured the true purpose of Nov 11 commemorations in Canada. And I just about blow a gasket when people, with all good intentions, wish me a "Happy Remembrance Day" or talk about their Remembrance Day "celebrations".

 

[lenaitch]

Correct iirc. The Legion got upset at the Winnipeg Jets one year because they had the nerve to put a poppy sticker on their helmets. I could be wrong though,

And Remembrance Day is for the Fallen and no one else.

And I have heard the Jets had to pay (or make an in-kind charitable donation) to the RCAF Association for including its registered mark in their logo.

 

[ModlrMike]

And I just about blow a gasket when people, with all good intentions, wish me a "Happy Remembrance Day" or talk about their Remembrance Day "celebrations".

Agreed, but people just don't know what to say. Some say "Thank you for your service", which is still odd to me, but acceptable. I think something along the lines of "Lest we forget" or "Wishing you a memorable day" are somewhat better.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Agreed, but people just don't know what to say. Some say "Thank you for your service", which is still odd to me, but acceptable. I think something along the lines of "Lest we forget" or "Wishing you a memorable day" are somewhat better.

One response to thank you for your service I've heard and since stolen is replying it's an honour to serve.

 

[Maxman1]

I believe the poppy design is copyrighted by the Royal Canadian Legion and they have jealously guarded it in the past.

Like when Wounded Warrior Canada and Telus had a project where if you read through the list of Canadians killed in war, Telus would donate to Wounded Warrior, but because it used an image of a poppy, and not even the copyrighted version, the Legion demanded the funds go to them instead. And it went into general revenue, not the Poppy Fund.

 

[Rifleman62]

How many people who wear a poppy really think about the the cost in human suffering Canada endured? Most know frick all about military history and Canada's participation/contributions.
Wearing a poppy is just the thing to do.
Ask these people if they are willing to spend tax dollars on good military equipment so we don't loose sons and daughters unnecessarily.
Especially ask the politicians.
It is the politicians that seem satisfied putting our soldiers in LAV's vice IFV 's as it gets votes rather than protect soldiers.