All Things Red Poppy Merged Thread (sales, copyright, usage, bans/restrictions, etc.)

[Navy_Pete]

I was shocked yesterday when I listened to someone argue that the popoy was a political symbol of war.

If you consider how stupid WW1 was in particular, and killed 100s of thousands of people and ruined the lives of millions, all because of essentially personal ambition of people in power, it's the human cost should be considered a huge political failure.

I don't think remembering the people that actually died should be political though; but generally people that make that arguement are missing the entire point, and get off on criticizing vice actually doing anything.

 

[Winds]

It is the politicians that seem satisfied putting our soldiers in LAV's vice IFV 's as it gets votes rather than protect soldiers.

Perhaps off topic, but why do you not consider the LAV an IFV?

It is armoured, has a cannon over 20mm for direct-fire support, and holds infantry sections. Sure, it's design could be better... be equipped with anti-armour weapons, have heavier armour, a lower profile, etc. But it's not an APC and it's certainly not an unarmoured vehicle. IFVs and APCs generally don't have the same armour protection as MBTs. It may not be the best IFV available, but it is an IFV nonetheless.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I continue to be underwhelmed by our politicized judiciary.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Performative poppy wearing has turned toxic – should we be wearing white poppies instead?​

 

[Halifax Tar]

Performative poppy wearing has turned toxic – should we be wearing white poppies instead?​

If ye break faith...

Les sigh...

 

[The Bread Guy]

How many people who wear a poppy really think about the the cost in human suffering Canada endured? Most know frick all about military history and Canada's participation/contributions.
Wearing a poppy is just the thing to do.
Ask these people if they are willing to spend tax dollars on good military equipment so we don't loose sons and daughters unnecessarily.
Especially ask the politicians.
It is the politicians that seem satisfied putting our soldiers in LAV's vice IFV 's as it gets votes rather than protect soldiers.

It would be nice to see people broadly for mo' $ for the military, but if the bit in yellow is entirely true, then nobody should complain if they don't wear poppies, then. Like people who don't attend funerals don't necessarily miss the dearly departed any less than those who go, right?

Speaking of wearing it just to wear it ...

Performative poppy wearing has turned toxic – should we be wearing white poppies instead?​

White poppy movement definitely has more than zero push behind it - not huge or significant, by any means, but it does bubble up. And the bit about the alleged "rabid ‘Where’s your poppy?’ brigade" mentioned in the article, Don Cherry notwithstanding, I don't see a broad movement in that direction, either. Like some out there say, the freedoms so painfully fought for include the right to wear no poppy or a white poppy.

 

[Jarnhamar]

White poppy movement definitely has more than zero push behind it - not huge or significant, by any means, but it does bubble up. And the bit about the alleged "rabid ‘Where’s your poppy?’ brigade" mentioned in the article, Don Cherry notwithstanding, I don't see a broad movement in that direction, either. Like some out there say, the freedoms so painfully fought for include the right to wear no poppy or a white poppy.

For the sake of clarity I'm nonplussed by white poppies; rather I'm critical of attacking people for not wearing (red) poppies.

The Legions misguided antics makes easier cases for bot wearing a poppy unfortunately.

 

[mariomike]

As Remembrance Day is fast approaching, readers may find this of interest.

Posted without political comment.

Mapping Canada’s war dead, house by house

Mapping Canada’s war dead, house by house | Globalnews.ca

Five interactive maps show Canada's war dead at the intimate scale of individual homes.

globalnews.ca

 

[lenaitch]

It would be nice to see people broadly for mo' $ for the military, but if the bit in yellow is entirely true, then nobody should complain if they don't wear poppies, then. Like people who don't attend funerals don't necessarily miss the dearly departed any less than those who go, right?

Speaking of wearing it just to wear it ...

White poppy movement definitely has more than zero push behind it - not huge or significant, by any means, but it does bubble up. And the bit about the alleged "rabid ‘Where’s your poppy?’ brigade" mentioned in the article, Don Cherry notwithstanding, I don't see a broad movement in that direction, either. Like some out there say, the freedoms so painfully fought for include the right to wear no poppy or a white poppy.

I don't see or hear much either. Maybe it is a bigger thing in other countries. I can't say I've ever seen one.

I don't care whether people do or don't or what colour it is; just don't highjack the ceremonies of others; have your own (or try to).

 

[The Bread Guy]

Staff note: lots of good commentary, and timely, so pulling together poppy stuff (as opposed to "just Legion & it's follies" stuff) into a merged thread.

Please stand by ....

Army.ca Staff

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Over the last two weekends of tagging, a lot of people talked to me about their fathers, grandfathers, moms and their roles in WWI, II and Korea. A lot of kids know about Remembrance Day due to their schools, the military vehicle collectors club here takes vehicles to a couple of the local schools to do displays, myself and number of other people I know are doing presentations today. All the Cadets have permission to wear their uniform at school today and take part in flag parties, etc.
Here in North Shore we have 3 Legions, a ANAFO club and Veterans Association Council (I think one of the few left) So we have a lot of support and interest. We are expecting a couple of thousand people at the cenotaph tomorrow in North Van and likley 500+ at the West Van and 300+ at the one in Deep Cove. Just from my observation I say 50% of the immigrants here know and understand what it is about (mostly thanks to the what the kids learn in schools) With the large increase in immigrants, that is where our centre of effort should be over the next decade to ensure the day, and events continue.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I continue to be underwhelmed by our politicized judiciary.

More on the judicial doubling down in NS here:

N.S. Supreme Court chief justice defends staff poppy ban in some courtrooms | Globalnews.ca

Chief justice of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia notes banning court staff from wearing of poppies is 'very sensitive,' but said there can be 'no signs of favouritism' in court.

globalnews.ca

 

[ytz]

Just from my observation I say 50% of the immigrants here know and understand what it is about (mostly thanks to the what the kids learn in schools) With the large increase in immigrants, that is where our centre of effort should be over the next decade to ensure the day, and events continue.

It's also covered in the citizenship exam. At least it was for my parents, when they took the exam three decades ago.

I don't see or hear much either. Maybe it is a bigger thing in other countries. I can't say I've ever seen one.

Exceptionally rare in Canada. It's mostly a UK thing in my experience.

For the sake of clarity I'm nonplussed by white poppies; rather I'm critical of attacking people for not wearing (red) poppies.

The Legions misguided antics makes easier cases for bot wearing a poppy unfortunately.

This year, there's been a surge in the Indigenous bead poppies. The DIAG said it's acceptable for any member (not just Indigenous) to wear one as long as they were procured from an actual First Nations artist. And preferably a veteran. I lucked out and did just that. Got one for my wife and myself.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The legion sold a indigenous poppy pin for the last few years, they were immensely popular. But I did not see any being sold this year?

 

[ytz]

The legion sold a indigenous poppy pin for the last few years, they were immensely popular. But I did not see any being sold this year?

I didn't see any. But there's been a surge of interest among members themselves. And a lot of Indigenous groups have actually responded. Some even made custom poppies for members. Small thing. But I think it's pretty cool for the CAF to tie up with First Nations this way.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I didn't see any. But there's been a surge of interest among members themselves. And a lot of Indigenous groups have actually responded. Some even made custom poppies for members. Small thing. But I think it's pretty cool for the CAF to tie up with First Nations this way.

Tommy Prince is smiling up in heaven about that.

 

[lenaitch]

This year, there's been a surge in the Indigenous bead poppies. The DIAG said it's acceptable for any member (not just Indigenous) to wear one as long as they were procured from an actual First Nations artist. And preferably a veteran. I lucked out and did just that. Got one for my wife and myself.

That strikes me as an expression of culture rather than a repudiation of the original symbol.

 

[quadrapiper]

If ye break faith...

Les sigh...

Although the whole Remembrance evolution in the UK has become a bit overwrought and silly.

 

[Halifax Tar]

More on the judicial doubling down in NS here:

N.S. Supreme Court chief justice defends staff poppy ban in some courtrooms | Globalnews.ca

Chief justice of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia notes banning court staff from wearing of poppies is 'very sensitive,' but said there can be 'no signs of favouritism' in court.

globalnews.ca

That's exactly what I posted earlier.