dapaterson said:Interesting that the two who resigned are both members of regulated professions with standards for ethical behaviour.
Haggis said:My expectation is that both Butts and Wernick will come out swinging tomorrow. No apologies, no contrition. Straight on the offensive towards JWR and possibly even Phillipot.
ModlrMike said:This may have the opposite effect of what's desired.
Remius said:My guess and it is only that, is that DPA is a sort of plea bargain mechanism. So they can still be charged for something and prosecuted but the sentencing and plea bargain arrangement is what is different.
Imagine someone murdered a family at the time we had the death penalty. That someone could be charged for a crime committed at that time. But the sentence and plea bargain rules would be today's standard not the standard that applied back then no?
JesseWZ said:I’ve never seen the system work that way... for example, we charged someone with child pornography offences in 2016 for offences that took place prior to the change and addition of mandatory minimum sentencing. Even though the charges, trial and verdict were all within the new sentencing regime, the old sentencing regime (from the time of the offence) was used.
YZT580 said:I give Trudeau one more week to get things under control. If he is unable to stop the blood-letting the folks who pull the strings will engineer a spontaneous uprising of those parliamentarians who are members of the liberal party. In turn they will select an alternative leader and then inform the governor-general that Trudeau has lost the support of parliament and a new leader will take over.
Next confidence votes aren't all that far away ...MilEME09 said:Or enough liberal MPs break ranks of this gets worse, non-confidence happens and the government falls.
dapaterson said:Given the current rate of change, we must amend "A week is a long time in politics" to read "A day is a long time in politics."
YZT580 said:I give Trudeau one more week to get things under control.
Remius said:1. Get in front of this. Admit to applying pressure but with good intentions to save jobs, apologize to JWR for what she went through and insist that nothing illegal happened but that there was a breach of ethical standard and that they will do better.
And hope it's not concluded before election day.Remius said:2. Welcome any police investigation should it happen.
An idea which will be pointed outRemius said:3. Pass a bill separating the AG and Justice minister role and tell everyone that this is being done to avoid mistakes. Offer JWR her choice for which one she wants to do. Maybe offer her the more independent AG role. Heck get her to spearhead a LPC code of ethics and stick to it.
The personality politics cult won't allow this. The Trudeau brand won the last election. Nice socks and great hair, remember?Remius said:4. Get away from the Trudeau brand and develop a Liberal brand. Trudeau's brand has taken too much of a hit.
I think the best they can hope for now is a minority. Not a win, really, but buys them four years to rebuild without having to accomplish anything governmentally.Remius said:Hope you've done enough to squeak out a win in the fall.
Haggis said:This might be where Butts and Wernick will head tomorrow.
And hope it's not concluded before election day.
An idea which will be pointed out
to have been plagiarized from the Conservatives of Stephen Harper? Not a chance!
The personality politics cult won't allow this. The Trudeau brand won the last election. Nice socks and great hair, remember?
I think the best they can hope for now is a minority. Not a win, really, but buys them four years to rebuild without having to accomplish anything governmentally.
Remius said:The LPC can get out of this but not without some scars.
Damage control and spin required.
1. Get in front of this. Admit to applying pressure but with good intentions to save jobs, apologise to JRW for what she went through and insist that nothing illegal happened but that there was a breach of ethical standard and that they will do better.
2. Welcome any police investigation should it happen.
3. Pass a bill separating the AG and Justice minister role and tell everyone that this is being done to avoid mistakes. Offer JWR her choice for which one she wants to do. Maybe offer her the more independent AG role. Heck get her to spearhead a LPC code of ethics and stick to it.
4. Get away from the Trudeau brand and develop a Liberal brand. Trudeau's brand has taken too much of a hit.
Hope you've done enough to squeak out a win in the fall.
Don't know if it'll be as bad, but for sure in the same direction.Fishbone Jones said:... Bob Rae's hamfisted attempt at premiership of Ontario has followed the provincial NDP like an albatross standing on the millstone around their neck. Trudeau and the liberals are about to suffer the same fate. The grits will be know as the party of trudeau and hold the jaundiced eye of the electorate for a long, long time ...
More @ Ipsos's info-machine here.Liberals (31%, -3) Shed Support as Tories (40%, +4) Capitalize in Wake of Jody Wilson-Raybould Testimony
Canadians Siding Decidedly with Wilson-Raybould (67%) over Trudeau (33%); Majority (62%) Agrees Prime Minister Has Lost Moral Authority to Govern
The Liberals are continuing to shed vote support in the wake of the SNC-Lavalin affair and the testimony of former Attorney General and Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould to the House of Commons Justice Committee.
If an election were held tomorrow, the Liberals under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would receive 31% of the decided popular vote, down 3 points since Ipsos’ most recent poll two weeks ago. The Conservatives under Andrew Scheer would receive 40% of the vote, up 4 points. Jagmeet Singh’s NDP would receive 20% of the popular vote (up 3 points), while the Bloc would receive 4% of the vote nationally (19% in Quebec), down 2 points. Other parties, including the Green Party, would receive 5% of the vote (down 2 points). Overall, two in ten Canadians say they are undecided (9%) or simply would not consider voting (8%).
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Given what they’ve heard to date, 67% of Canadians say they believe Jody Wilson-Raybould more, while 33% say they believe Prime Minister Justin Trudeau more. Even one in three (33%) Liberal voters say they believe the former Attorney General more than the Prime Minister. Moreover, three quarters (75%) of Canadians agree (28% strongly/47% somewhat) that they believe there was inappropriate political interference placed on Jody Wilson-Raybould by senior people in government, including 56% of Liberal voters ...