AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[Sub Standard]

Waiting to see if JSS1 (Protecteur) gets launched this month, as promised. There seems to be very little in the way of updates available for this program. Perhaps someone familiar with this program can chime in and give us an early Christmas present?

The Seaspan Careen arrived at VSY last Friday and Mammoet is busy getting the SPMTs in place to roll the ship onto Careen next week prior to the naming ceremony next Friday with the plan to have the ship floating on the 21st of December.

 

[Underway]

Yes some ships have it now, all the ships will get it eventually. Way superior to what we are using now.

Tried to get that on JSS, but at the time the design was finalized Starlink didn't have a nautical version of their transceiver. It's going to be an immediate EC when the ship is accepted I expect.

 

[Underway]

TBH the wifi is nice, but it's killed mess life.

Agreed. Though we did do an inter-mess 40k tournament and had multiple D&D groups going (CO even DM'd a one off with the Jrs!).

 

[Stoker]

Tried to get that on JSS, but at the time the design was finalized Starlink didn't have a nautical version of their transceiver. It's going to be an immediate EC when the ship is accepted I expect.

I believe AOPS has 2 separate antennas with separate data plans. Pretty expensive but significantly cheaper than what they had before. I can literally be in my rack and stream and it's pretty much everywhere in the ship.

 

[NavyShooter]

Word on the street the CO of Protecteur was out east trying to entice sailors to move West to crew JSS.

Word on the street is also that someone stole his CO Protecteur ball cap. On the day he arrived.

I gather he was...miffed. That would have been an amazing item to hold for ransom though....can you imagine a half dozen subbies conspiring to do that and getting a nice bottle of scotch out of it?

Ah...the good old days.

 

[calculus]

We have had starlink since June.

TBH the wifi is nice, but it's killed mess life.

Interesting - the Law of Unintended Consequences at work. Not having served aboard a ship, I can imagine a healthy mess life is good for morale. Is that a concern at all?

 

[Stoker]

Interesting - the Law of Unintended Consequences at work. Not having served aboard a ship, I can imagine a healthy mess life is good for morale. Is that a concern at all?

If you mean face timing with your kids whenever you want? Yep big concern.

 

[calculus]

If you mean face timing with your kids whenever you want? Yep big concern.

Clearly that is great, but my comment was specific to mess life. Wouldn't a healthy mess life be conducive to crew cohesiveness and morale?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Clearly that is great, but my comment was specific to mess life. Wouldn't a healthy mess life be conducive to crew cohesiveness and morale?

I'm in C&POs right now. And it's dead quiet. No one is even talking I can see 6 people in front of me and we all have our heads in our phones.

We don't even have a movie on... And this is a pretty normal night.

 

[Stoker]

Clearly that is great, but my comment was specific to mess life. Wouldn't a healthy mess life be conducive to crew cohesiveness and morale?

New generation. The days of mess life is certainly not over. Perhaps subdued, perhaps different, not gone.

 

[Furniture]

I'm in C&POs right now. And it's dead quiet. No one is even talking I can see 6 people in front of me and we all have our heads in our phones.

We don't even have a movie on... And this is a pretty normal night.

Was the same on MAX when I was sailing for RIMPAC. There were three of us who got together every night for a movie, but otherwise most people disappeared to their cabin/rack as soon as work was done.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Do you mean not even jam sessions in the helo hangar anymore?

That would be sad. Some of those "amateur" musicians were just out of this world.


Yes, some of us officers snuck in hiding in the far corners. That's how good some of those musicians were.

 

[NavyShooter]

This is what a healthy level of crew morale looks like.

 

[Halifax Tar]

This is what a healthy level of crew morale looks like.

Ah the good old days

 

[Furniture]

This is what a healthy level of crew morale looks like.

I'm not going to lie... I've never understood fetishizing the AMR party.

Sure it's fun, but other sections/departments do the same thing. Why do we have to pretend that "stoker" parties are better? Because people could smoke and not get caught?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm not going to lie... I've never understood fetishizing the AMR party.

Sure it's fun, but other sections/departments do the same thing. Why do we have to pretend that "stoker" parties are better? Because people could smoke and not get caught.

Have you been to an AAMR party prior to the changes around alcohol? Also smoking was allowed. We used to drop down to the engine spaces for smokes all the time. It's where I used run off to for puff during a RAS.

Nothing matched them. No other dept/sect on the ship threw as good a party, hands down.

 

[Furniture]

Have you been to an AAMR party prior to the changes around alcohol? Also smoking was allowed. We used to drop down to the engine spaces for smokes all the time. It's where I used run off to for puff during a RAS.

Nothing matched them. No other dept/sect on the ship threw as good a party, hands down.

I was around for them, I never "got" them... As a non-smoker, and a member of the C&POs, I suspect a lot of the appeal was lost on me.

I'd rather sundowners than sit around the AAMR.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I was around for them, I never "got" them... As a non-smoker, and a member of the C&POs, I suspect a lot of the appeal was lost on me.

I'd rather sundowners than sit around the AAMR.

What about channel fever ?

 

[Grimey]

What about channel fever ?

I’ve been involved in those where a good proportion of the off watch-crew were hammered. Two beer per man perhaps got tossed out of the porthole. Looking back, if there had been a ship wide emergency, I wonder how we would have fared. I guess the inability to police ourselves is the primary factor in the current situation with booze on ships.

No to be pedantic, but it’s AMR parties on 280s. Frigates would have been AAMR or FAMR Pre-Christmas levee parties in the AMR where the moosers flowed were epic.

As to the influence of wifi on mess life, it’s just indicative of today’s societal norms. At its heart, a healthy mess life revolved around a few wets. No difference at shore messes. I’d been a PO2 for a year when the C&POs in Esquimalt opened. Compared to the dump it replaced in Naden, it was palatial. Popular for a few years, then it was quite obvious it was a white elephant as attitudes around booze, primarily from my cohort, changed. None us wanted to be the PO2 or highr, pissed to the gills in a 3 mess steamer at morning stand-easy, that we used to work for.

The past is a foreign country.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I’ve been involved in those where a good proportion of the off watch-crew were hammered. Two beer per man perhaps got tossed out of the porthole. Looking back, if there had been a ship wide emergency, I wonder how we would have fared. I guess the inability to police ourselves is the primary factor in the current situation with booze on ships.

Absolutely, and I am glad we never had to find out. But boy channel fever was a good night!

I also remember afternoon beers in 2 or 6 stores.

No to be pedantic, but it’s AMR parties on 280s. Frigates would have been AAMR or FAMR Pre-Christmas levee parties in the AMR where the moosers flowed were epic.

I'm not a 280 guy. AORs and CPFs.

As to the influence of wifi on mess life, it’s just indicative of today’s societal norms. At its heart, a healthy mess life revolved around a few wets. No difference at shore messes. I’d been a PO2 for a year when the C&POs in Esquimalt opened. Compared to the dump it replaced in Naden, it was palatial. Popular for a few years, then it was quite obvious it was a white elephant as attitudes around booze, primarily from my cohort, changed. None us wanted to be the PO2 or highr, pissed to the gills in a 3 mess steamer at morning stand-easy, that we used to work for.

The past is a foreign country.

There is a noticeable difference in attitude towards drinking from the JRs.