Approved Leave and they want to put me on a career course
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Haggis said:
Hey, I know it's in the regs, just stating that I've seen it. One instance (from personal experience) was one of the guys on my own PLQ. That was his fourth or fifth kick at the cat and he didn't pass that one either. Another case (also from personal experience) was when the unit wanted to promote a MCpl to Sgt at the Christmas dinner only to find out he wasn't PLQ qualified.
Besides, we're only talking about Mod 2 here, not the entire course, which is required for qualification.
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Haggis said:
BS, I know what the rule "states" but I have seen many a rolly polly ollies with a leaf and no PLQ, or JLC or whatever.
There are always PLQ MOD 2s running, It is probably the one course that wont get rolled back with all these cutbacks.
Stick to your leave pass, dont cancel it yourself, get the official word that its cancelled and go from there. Ensure your CoC knows your plans, why you are going away etc and you'll be fine. PLQ isnt that long anyways.
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The thread isn't about acting\ lacking, and the official word has been quoted already a couple of times.
If the OP had taken this to their CoC yesterday, they'd, in all likelihood, have an answer right now.
This ain't friggin' rocket appliances (rickyism). Let's not convolute this to more than it is.
If the OP had taken this to their CoC yesterday, they'd, in all likelihood, have an answer right now.
This ain't friggin' rocket appliances (rickyism). Let's not convolute this to more than it is.
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Looks like it has become a personal dick swinging contest from Ottawa. Still no word yet but apparently the guy before me had to submit his leave passes and travel receipts. I have yet to get an answer but my supervisor asked me if I was flying or driving. It will be interesting to see how this turns out but I will be submitting a memo stating family and financial commitments if they try and send me and they will be paying my travel costs. I was told by our unit clerk they would have to pay the full cost of the travel and they cannot force me to cancel at my expense. Ottawa seems adament about sending someone from our unit and since they couldn't get the first guy they are trying to get me.
I would be surprised if in this financial climate that they would still want to send me.
I would be surprised if in this financial climate that they would still want to send me.
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So I received the final word today and I'm to go on PLQ Mod 2. I was also told that I should try and cancel all my travel plans and try and get reimbursement and then submit a claim for whatever I can't get reimbursed. So apparently PLQ Mod 2 is more important than an approved leave pass with travel plans and financial commitments.
Some advice with what I should do with respect to my travel plans would be appreciated.
Some advice with what I should do with respect to my travel plans would be appreciated.
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Seems your only course of action is to cancel (or amend, if possible) your travel plans.
Get the reference(s) regarding reimbursement from the unit clerk. Also ask what kind of claim you need to do/submit. Check to see if the companies you have booked with have cancellation fees or if they are willing to give you credit to be used at a later date. Cancel whatever you have to, save ALL receipts (and make copies) and then submit the claim with the reference attached. You'll probably want to include a copy of the approved leave pass and the travel itinerary to prove it was booked after the leave was approved.
Hope that helps.
Get the reference(s) regarding reimbursement from the unit clerk. Also ask what kind of claim you need to do/submit. Check to see if the companies you have booked with have cancellation fees or if they are willing to give you credit to be used at a later date. Cancel whatever you have to, save ALL receipts (and make copies) and then submit the claim with the reference attached. You'll probably want to include a copy of the approved leave pass and the travel itinerary to prove it was booked after the leave was approved.
Hope that helps.
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rocksteady said:
Couple of options. One would be to try and get your money back, in which case, your Unit is on the hook for any Penalties/out of pocket expenses you incurred.
Not sure if it is on the "books" any more but another option that "might" still be available, is to rebook your travel plans for after the course and if you incur a higher cost for the identical travel, the difference is or used to be reimburseable as well.
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rocksteady said:
There seems to be a fault in the system here somewhere. Leave passes have a number of purposes, the first of which is to request leave from your CoC and to have them authorize that leave thereby allowing you to make arrangements for travel and rest. IMHO your CoC is failing you by not backing their earlier approval of your leave and I know from first hand knowledge that others would see your leave pass for what it was and have your course attendance rescheduled.
As to what you should do with respect to your travel plans, as you said above "I was also told that I should try and cancel all my travel plans and try and get reimbursement and then submit a claim for whatever I can't get reimbursed." Seems like a pretty straight forward set of instructions.
The only thing I would strongly suggest you do is to get those directions in writing. I can see some bean counter later on calling the instructions you received into question and trying to deny any reimbursement.
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DAA said:
My brother had a case a few years ago where his Unit was going to insist on putting a member on course when he had leave planned but in this case the course was near the end of the leave year and the Unit realized they would have to pay out for the unused leave time AND for any fees the member uncured by changing/cancelling his plans. In that case money won out where common sense failed and the member was allowed to go on leave.
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Schindler's Lift said:
Ultimately and at the end of the day, it's a unit decision. But still, from my perspective and if it was me, I would be thinking "vacation" or "career course". Yes, family is important but sometimes you need to make that sacrifice. Whether or not the course is run once or ten times a year, it's still a "career" course and a prerequisite for the rank level.
Not to mention......
rocksteady said:
Coming up on two years as an "A/L". As a Supr, I would have been pushing to get them loaded well before now!
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To me,
This is a bit BS.
I understand thw you signed the dotted line, its a career course etc.
But, you have been a MCpl A/L since 2012, I was promoted in 12 as well, completed my MOD 1-4, then waiting for the 5, then it changed to the Mod 1-4 deal. You can not exactly tell me that there was not an opportunity for you to do this course since 2012, I had multiple friends just complete one in Aldershot, and even before that there was several running in Pet, Even during mine in Pet there was several more, before and after. This is only two training areas, Gagetown runs them, as well as Wainwright, im gonna guess Shilo has some kind of PLQ set up? (Shilo is the only one I dont know that anyone has completed one there in the past two years since the system changed)
I think its a CoC failure here (god forbid I state that) since 2012, your CoC should of had you on the first one possible (presuming health). Not "last minute lets cause some needless paperwork" here. There wasnt a huge backlog either of people that needed it.
The good thing about the new system is- you can do MOD1, then MOD 2 and then a few weeks/months/etc and finish up with 3 then with 4. Each is their own course code and qualification- (due to PLQ-I and PLQ-A being different Mod 4)
For anyone else that could end up reading this thread, fight to get on your PLQ, pay attention to the course calender, if you know there is nothing major for your unit coming up, and you are on the bubble for a promotion, say hey, can I get loaded onto this. Because with all honesty, I had people on my course that were not getting their leaf within the near future and were there to fill space.
This really does start with MCpls Lower SNCOs saying we have this guy this woman, this soldier, twiddling there thumb or screwing around for a few weeks, lets see if this can happen.
This is a bit BS.
I understand thw you signed the dotted line, its a career course etc.
But, you have been a MCpl A/L since 2012, I was promoted in 12 as well, completed my MOD 1-4, then waiting for the 5, then it changed to the Mod 1-4 deal. You can not exactly tell me that there was not an opportunity for you to do this course since 2012, I had multiple friends just complete one in Aldershot, and even before that there was several running in Pet, Even during mine in Pet there was several more, before and after. This is only two training areas, Gagetown runs them, as well as Wainwright, im gonna guess Shilo has some kind of PLQ set up? (Shilo is the only one I dont know that anyone has completed one there in the past two years since the system changed)
I think its a CoC failure here (god forbid I state that) since 2012, your CoC should of had you on the first one possible (presuming health). Not "last minute lets cause some needless paperwork" here. There wasnt a huge backlog either of people that needed it.
The good thing about the new system is- you can do MOD1, then MOD 2 and then a few weeks/months/etc and finish up with 3 then with 4. Each is their own course code and qualification- (due to PLQ-I and PLQ-A being different Mod 4)
For anyone else that could end up reading this thread, fight to get on your PLQ, pay attention to the course calender, if you know there is nothing major for your unit coming up, and you are on the bubble for a promotion, say hey, can I get loaded onto this. Because with all honesty, I had people on my course that were not getting their leaf within the near future and were there to fill space.
This really does start with MCpls Lower SNCOs saying we have this guy this woman, this soldier, twiddling there thumb or screwing around for a few weeks, lets see if this can happen.
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I'm curious if I have grounds for a complaint against the CM for this issue. Thoughts?
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rocksteady said:
My personal thoughts are to be very careful, you may be painting a large glowing target on your back. Choose if this is the hill you're willing to die on.
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I'm curious, have you been offered this course before?
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Bruce Monkhouse said:
Nope first time they have ever offered (lol) it.
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