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Is that even being seriously discussed by anyone that actually has any say in the matter?
Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS
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KevinB
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From my understanding yes.
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Skids are kids.Green helo guy having done wheels and skids….skids ain’t pretty!
Two word: deck reasonance.
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That explanation resonates with me.
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One day I hope we have the maturity of Australia, where we can simply write off a system as unsuitable
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Flew CH135 onto 1100s and 1200s from time to time…the net was there, but there was still a lot of rocking and rolling going on. I have a lot of admiration for the MH folks landing-on in much worse gunk.We used cargo nets or these mats
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I suspect that since Militaries, especially NLI forces, need to conduct ops in any weather or environments that Commercial or Civilian Government users wouldn’t fly in, there is a bit of difference in requirements
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Ah I see, so the lack of the beartrap doesn't allow them to properly haul the Cyclone through into the hanger? That would make sense.
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Very much so, but for much of the AOP's service life, those civy requirements will work fine. That's whyI would like to see TC offer crews and grey helicopters to the RCN for domestic ops in the Arctic. Moving supplies, ice recce, shuttling personal, Nav Aid repair/placement, SAR and vertical RAS can all be done by them. Currently TC supplies crews and helicopters to the CCG on contract. Extending that service to the RCN should be quite easy and would make good use of inter-Departmental capabilities. TC helicopters can short/long line supplies, in the past they have had hoisting capabilities and that could be added if the RCN felt the need.
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Somehow the RN and USN manages to use civilian contracted helicopters on their ships? TC employees also have security clearances, that would allow them to work with the RCN, but of course would not cover everything. There would need to be adaption of operating regs between the two organizations. Otherwise I don't see the AOP's having much in the way of a dedicated helo assets for most of their careers.
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To be fair other navies think our MH folks are nuts for operating in weather that needs the haul down. I can't quickly find it, but there is a video from the pilot perspective of what that looks like from either the sea king or cyclone. From inside the ship it looks bad enough, from the cockpit video looks like a controlled crash.
Glad we finally are getting ships with stabilizers!
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HMCS Margaret Brooke departed Halifax yesterday for a six week OP CARIBBE deployment, undertaking counter narcotics operations and helping to enhance security in the region.
what helicopter detachment would they have on board, a Griffon?
None. Provided by USCG.
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The Class can't as of yet operate with a helo.
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Some lessons were learned from the AOPS, let's see if they are actually applied for the next round of ships.
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There is still a whole laundry list of fixes, but what is frustrating is the systems that will need replaced are still being installed by ISI and delivered with the ship, while other issues that will need sorted out are being ignored.
JSS is in the same boat, and currently doesn't meet air worthiness requirements from SHOPs.
