Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

[REDinstaller]

Nope, another full background. Expect about 1 yr.

 

[George Wallace]

It's just an Indoc for SA isn't it?  I do believe the list is prioritized with operational/deploying personnel being the first in line.

No.  There is still a further "clearance", and then an Indoc.




.......................Not fast enough.......... :-[    Tango18A beat me to it.....

 

[REDinstaller]

Sorry George, I guess that what age does to typing speed. >

 

[Swingline1984]

Thanks...learn something new everyday 

I've only ever been on the periphery of such happenings.  There isn't much call for super secret Linemen.

 

[Occam]

Nope, another full background. Expect about 1 yr.

I wish.  I've been waiting over two for SA....and that's with having level III for the last oh...say.....25 years? 

If I hear "Uncleared personnel on the floor!" one more time, I'm going postal.

 

[REDinstaller]

It only took 1 yr at CFCMU, but that was back in 04/05. Not too many clearances being processed back then compare to now.

 

[PuckChaser]

Comm Rsch need SA to get qualified or touch any of the equipment. If you're wondering on the time line to get a SA added onto a level III. I got level III and I've been waiting for 6 months for it.

Not all of their equipment is SA. Some requires a lower clearance, but a clearance altogether.

Occam: The ASIC overseas has a bright red flashing light when TS and below pers are in the Ops area. I never envied the people that had to walk in with that thing going off.

 

[meni0n]

Two years of waiting for SA? You're starting to scare me Occam.

 

[Occam]

Occam: The ASIC overseas has a bright red flashing light when TS and below pers are in the Ops area. I never envied the people that had to walk in with that thing going off.

Yep, I run into it mostly at CFEWC and JIIFC Det, where they announce your presence like you're wearing the scarlet letter.  Other places, the beacon seems to be sufficient.  Oh well.  They'll get around to processing me sometime.  Hopefully before my references have developed Alzheimer's.

 

[chrisf]

Say EW becomes part of the process.  Qty x 10 291'ers release and Qty x 10 291'ers are now required to meet PML.  Would it be easier to dip into a pool of basic qualified, level III cleared Signallers, or hire a guy off the street put him through the system and hope his clearance comes through?  Which is more timely?

Just for clarification, I think it's a great idea.

Not only would they already have the security clearance, but they'd already have a practical knowledge of communications, and any keen sig-op has at least some idea of what a 291er does.

 

[PuckChaser]

After speaking with a few of my course mates, we've come to the conclusion that not even the MES Managers know what ACISS is. Someone's pet project to get leading change marks on a PER is going to screw the C&E Branch up for the next decade, and thats not what we need to breathe new life into the Branch. I really hope that the rumour I heard wasn't true, in that the CDS only just found out what was happening to the Jimmy trades on Op Nanook when a junior NCM asked him what was going on with it. Actually, scratch that. Hopefully the rumour is true, and the CDS will start kicking people around to either can this whole business, or turn it into something worthwhile.

 

[Swingline1984]

I have to agree with PC, I am not looking forward to the transition period.  This thing was planned in a vacuum and once it touches real world conditions we're in for a bit of a gong show IMHO.  While skeptical in my own mind it is fascinating to witness the almost religious fervor with which some of the organizers approach this and then to see the tired resignation on the MES managers faces as they have to answer the spec pay question for the millionth time.  Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!

 

[buzgo]

I have to agree with PC, I am not looking forward to the transition period.  This thing was planned in a vacuum and once it touches real world conditions we're in for a bit of a gong show IMHO.  While skeptical in my own mind it is fascinating to witness the almost religious fervor with which some of the organizers approach this and then to see the tired resignation on the MES managers faces as they have to answer the spec pay question for the millionth time.  Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!

I have witnessed this fervor as well. I found it pretty disturbing - they can't answer the questions, don't seem to HEAR the questions, and insist that although there will be growing pains "it will all work out in the end"....

I agree that something has to be done, but is this it? I'm not sure.

 

[REDinstaller]

If anyone has ever shot themselves in the foot... I think thats how all of us will feel 1 Jan 2011. Except it will be both feet with shotgun slugs.

 

[PuckChaser]

This is one of those times that I hope someone from the CoC is reading this forum. Anything I've said here I'd have no problem saying to the staff officer who designed this MES shenanigans.

 

[Swingline1984]

This is one of those times that I hope someone from the CoC is reading this forum. Anything I've said here I'd have no problem saying to the staff officer who designed this MES shenanigans.

I've actually been in a room with him and all this and more was thrown at him (I don't remember his name but he came out of the failed MOSART program).  Nothing can sway his line of thinking and his eyes shine like he is talking about his new born baby.  LSD in the water me thinks.

 

[MikeL]

Anyone else get the email about doing the ACISS survey where you pick what occupation you want for first and second choice then write why you should be in that occupation?  Just got it wednesday, wonder how much say we really do have in what we want or if it's going to come down to your current trade and position/job you're in now.

 

[PuckChaser]

I got it through my chain, and had to pass it out to members of the course I was just on because they've never heard of it. I think the survey is going to give them base numbers for the new "trades", though I'd love to read what is written in some of those text boxes. 5 bucks says 90% of them mentioned either a retention bonus or spec pay.

 

[REDinstaller]

Anyone else get the email about doing the ACISS survey where you pick what occupation you want for first and second choice then write why you should be in that occupation?  Just got it wednesday, wonder how much say we really do have in what we want or if it's going to come down to your current trade and position/job you're in now.

We all got it out west. I has to be completed by 15 Oct 10.

 

[Old and Tired]

When was this survey sent and by who, I have yet to see it.  Not that I have any faith in any system that created this monstrosity.  I know I have said it before in this thread but I still maintain that is is going to be a disaster of epic proportions.  The Titanic will look mild by comparison.

I received the PPT that tried to show the career and training progression.  I have yet to figure out where I or my troops will fit into the grand scheme of things.  I am not holding by breathe as to the outcome.