ATIS and LCIS TECH.

[Dire]

Yes shadowwolf. We are in the same boat..


I want to be army and not Navy/Airforce.

I asked the recruiter if you can switch and he said it‘s possible but closer to impossible since they‘d have to give up the trainning they gave you and then find someone/train him to replace you while they pay you to train in another career.

What is SEP and ATIS by the way?

 

[Bert]

I think if you ahve patience, going Army for the LCIS trade may not be too hard. The local CFRC may have to do some investigation.

The MOCs may open and close several times a year. Its based on many reasons but the main one from my understanding is the sceduling and intake of recruits from BMQ to POET to QL3. They can‘t take too many at one point since the spaces for POET and QL3 may be limited. For the LCIS, ATIS, NAV Techs for example, the BMQs for these recruits has to be scheduled so the successful candidates carry on into POET and QL3 at the right time. It seems each space/recruit has allocations.

If the LCIS seems closed, it will open up again later, maybe a Fall BMQ if the Summer is full. The CFRC should be able to estimate this.

 

[shado_wolf]

SEP is the subsidised education plan

Basically I‘ll go to Northern Alberta Institute of Technology (NAIT) for 2 years taking the electronics engeneering program. I have to take basic either this summer or next while on break from school. I‘ll be paid a privates wage while at school. I‘ll get raises as they are due, qualify for benefits and everything else. After graduating I‘ll become a corporal and move up to Specialists pay. Advantages being I don‘t have to leave home other than 10 weeks for basic and I‘ll reach the rank and pay of coporal in a little over 2 years rather than almost 4.

this answers the question of patience and waiting for LCIS to open. This course starts in Sept.

Dylan

 

[shado_wolf]

Have any of you heard of Fire Control Systems Technicians?

The recruiter mentioned that this position may be opening up soon. Might be an answer for those of us interested in computers and the army.

Dylan

 

[Dire]

that has to do with Firefighting within the army..


A few months ago my buddy and I went up too the recruiter to find out what we could do.

My buddy is a fireman (volenteer) right now in the civy world and he asked about that MOC.

The Recruiter told him his civy firemen training would not help him to get in and that they pick that MOC within the army. (which confuses me since the same recruiter told me it was open and if I had an intrest I should apply)

anyhow it has nothing to do with computers

 

[shado_wolf]

Um that is what I thought which is why I didn‘t even bat an eyelash so to speak when the recruiter mentioned it when I handed in my app.

Now I finally took the time to read into it and this is from the CF Army page.

"The Fire Control Systems Technicians are electronic/optronic specialists dedicated to supporting the Land Force and other CF elements. They are responsible for the maintenance and modification of electrical, electronic, optical and precision mechanical equipment. Electrons and photons are second nature to these soldiers.

Related civilian occupations

Electronic Engineering Technician/Technologist
Electro-Mechanical Technician
Surveillance/Thermal Equipment Technician
Automated-Processing Repair Technician
Television Repair Technician
Assembler-Electronic Equipment
Electric Truck Servicer (Forklifts)
Air Conditioner Repair Technician
Survey Instrument Technician
Optical/Optronic Technician
Laser Equipment Technician "

Army Web Page Description FCS TECH

Now how stupid will I look to call in and change my choices to LCIS TECH, ATIS TECH, FCS TECH? Already phoned in and changed it to ATIS from COMM RSCH.

 

[Dire]

Since I got my MCSE/MCSE I want to stick with COMM research because that is the only MOC that deals with Computer Network Administrator/security which I really want to get into but there are no IT jobs in Vancouver besides joining the army

I only picked ATIS and LCIS incase I don‘t get into COMM Research

 

[Hookflash]

I am thinking of joining the CF with LCIS tech as my #1 choice of occupation (followed by Sig Ops and Commicator Research, I guess). The problem is, I am turning 24 in Sept. and have forgotten much of what I learned in high-school. Also, I don‘t actually have my grade 12 diploma (strangely, I have my grade 12 advanced math with an average score of 97%, but no English 12). Will this be a problem? Do they give "refresher coarses" in high-school math during LCIS tech training? Thanks

 

[Galadriel]

My husband‘s an LCIS Tech and says they will teach you EVERYTHING you need to know on your POET course and not to worry about that part. It‘s good to have a background in math/physics etc because of the work involved but English isn‘t a requirement at first. Once you get the rank of MCpl and higher, English skills will be further developed as you will be expected to write PER/PDR‘s and such, though it will be at the discretion of your higher ups whether or not to load you on those type courses.

As for whether or not it will prevent you for being ELIGIBLE for the trade, I can‘t say, all they asked me was whether I had University Prep Math, nothing about English at all and I qualified for LCIS,though I chose Sig Op as my first choice and that‘s the MOC they offered me.

I was also told and know from talking to several people awaiting occupational transfers that there‘s a substantial wait (up to a year) for MOC trades training for LCIS, so be prepared for that as well.

Good Luck to you

 

[Hookflash]

Galadriel, thanks for your reply.

When you qualified for LCIS Tech, did you have your grade 12 physics? Also, had you completed your Math 12 recently enough that you actually remembered most of it? I don‘t actually have my grade 12 physics, and I completed my Math 12 about 6 years ago.

Sig Ops sounds like a very interesting career (from what I‘ve heard on this site). What sort of background did you need for that? Perhaps I‘d be better off going that route if LCIS Tech is going to be out of my reach.

Thanks

 

[Galadriel]

I do have grade 12 physics but it‘s been so long since I graduated highschool (10 years) that I‘m not sure I could even tell you what an electron is anymore

I have some University and a two year diploma for PC Technician as well as six years of experience in building and repairing computers. That‘s mainly why I thought LCIS might be the trade I‘d pick, essentially the same thing really only different equipment. I chose Sig Op because after you spend a a bit of time in you can start to specialize in the computer aspect of things (so I‘ve been told) such as network administration and computer comms networks and such, of course, NOT being allowed to repair a piece of equipment that‘s broken, even if I‘m qualified to do so as a civi, that might be frustrating in the long run.

The CF is currently in the process of implementing a new system called Mozart (spelling??) which would mean that anyone who wanted to become an LCIS tech or a Lineman, would first have to spend one term as a Sig Op to become familiar with the equipment and such. In theory this will cut down on the number of LCIS techs that are not qualified to do thier jobs because of inexperience. That‘s actually part of the reason I wanted to go Sig Op, I know that in a few years if I really don‘t like it, I can remuster into LCIS and have loads (hopefully) of experience on the comms equipment.

Either are great trades, I‘m sure you‘ll do well no matter which career you choose. Ask the recruiter about it and if you qualify for them both on the aptitude test then go for whichever tickles your fancy at the time.

Sorry for being so long winded, I‘m trying to avoid making dinner

 

[klumanth]

As an LCIS Tech, you can also spend time on the computer side of things. I know many LCIS Techs who are computer technicians (A+ stuff), Computer Network technicians and Administrators(MCSE stuff) and UNIX administrators. Of course if you get posted to a battalion, you will probably only do radio stuff. It‘s a matter of choosing the right posting.

 

[bossdog]

I'm looking for a copy of the LCIS Tech logo \ badge. I'm sure it's an unofficial logo but I would appreciate it if anybody could direct me to a copy of it.

 

[Bert]

I'm not exactly sure of your context but check this site out:

http://www.img.forces.gc.ca/commelec/school/cfsce_e.htm

 

[bossdog]

I've already been there, the CE Museum and various other sites. It's the logo that LCIS techs use on their 5's for t-shirts and hats. Like I said, it's unofficial but it's out there.

 

[GerryCan]

My brother is currently in the midst of joining the army and is between a few different trade choices.
He has a college degree with computers, not exactly what to do with them, but I was wondering if there is a signing bonus for LCIS Tech.
I looked at the DND site and it doesn't exactly outline the signing bonuses for each specifiic trade.
Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

 

[Tracker]

Signing bonus' change constantly so they are not listed on the website, call the nearest CFRC or det and ask what the current status is.  I believe there is a det in Pembrooke.

 

[bossdog]

It's actually caled a recruiting allowance. Last I checked this was the break down:

Post Secondary Education
$10,000

Industry Work Experience and Certifications
$20,000 ($10G now, and the other $10G in 12 months)

Previous military experience (QL5)
$20,000 ($10G now, and the other $10G in 12 months)

This only applies to under strengthed trades which I beleive LCIS is. This money is also a taxable allowance. You can not combine the allowances either and are only entiled to them if they are offered.

 

[meni0n]

I believe they give 10k to  QL3 sigops. At least that's what I heard.

 

[bossdog]

I came back in with a QL3, never got a thing. That was just a rumour.

There is a CANFORGEN and CFAO out about the whole thing.