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Attitude from the supply staff again.

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Well, that was a 180.


If you really need male pants in a pinch, I am pretty sure you can scavenge some up from the several thousand pairs issued to everyone else at base.

Good luck   


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tovasshi said:
I would like to thank those who are giving me real advice. Your guidance and professionalism is well appreciated.

No worries, your professionalism in publicly slamming on an "internet military website" (was that what you called it earlier??) an individual who did his job IAW policy has also been duley noted.
 
I really do appreciate the real advice from certain people. I also found a few sources that were offering to help.
 
I do not know you. I've never met you and, even though we're on the same base, probably never will.

My only impression of you is that formed by reading your posts, and I've just reviewed them all.

My impression may not be accurate. It may be totally out to lunch. It is, however, what it is, and, frankly, based upon the available evidence, it is not terribly favourable.

Here's an observation from many years of experience: whether they realize it or not, many people cause their own problems.

Hundreds of people just like you pass through Clothing Stores in Borden every year. The vast majority do so without recurring problems. If you are the exception that you appear to be, a little honest self-appraisal may be in order.

You refer to some of the staff there as having "attitude" and "lying". Perhaps there is something in your attitude to which they are reacting. You claim that you are not responsible, but that is your word against my own experiences at Borden Clothing Stores. Accusing somebody of lying is also something that causes me concern. Lying involves intentional deceit. That is serious, and a serious accusation. You bandy it about a little too easily, methinks.

I've been at Borden now for fourteen years, and have always had first-rate service at Clothing Stores. Granted, my rank, flying suit, dashing good looks, and charm may have something to do with that however I always treat them civilly and respectfully and, yes, that can make a difference.

They are not perfect, and sometimes make mistakes. That happens to me upon occasion, but then I use kit with which they are not very familiar (or are even completely unfamiliar) so I can accept a lack of knowledge there. One can always talk to a Clothing Stores supervisor and politely and patiently explain one's problem, or take it up with one's own supervisor. Just because a Corporal cannot see that a flying helmet is unserviceable whereas I plainly can does not make them a liar or incompetent.

Life isn't always easy as a junior Private. I know that - I've been one - but you have a fair amount of influence over how others respond to you, and you have supervisors who are responsible for your well-being.

You also have a tremendous resource here, including some very experienced people who will bend over backwards to get you correct information at no cost or effort to you, as has been done, but read my last sentence above again: "you have a fair amount of influence over how others respond to you".

In the case of this Site, however, you have complete influence. And you can talk directly to an MWO, Captain, or much senior Officer just as easily as you can talk to a fellow Private and profit from their experience and knowledge.

A little diplomacy, tact, and respect for others would do you well. Keep that in mind, because, for the time being, you are going to be getting far more benefit from being here than you are going to be returning to those helping you. Beak off at people, and you won't be getting much help in future. That would be your loss, not that of any of the rest of us.

Again, I do not know you, and I may be completely wrong, but you should think hard, very hard, about this.
 
ArmyVern said:
And, a QM is NOT part of Base Supply, nor is it a clothing stores. Not even close. Two entirely different places with different functions and capabilities in life.

Sorry Vern, my bad, I thought there was a QM(the position) located at Base Sup. (Note, I didn't say it was base supply, as I was trying to correct that. I should have gone with my initial thought in that it was a regimental/battalion based position)

I'll also take a second to restate what I mentioned earlier, that due to the amount of students on base, unless you are a non-student your entitlements are drastically reduced. No Gucci kit (unless it is required kit for your 3's course). The staff has a hard enough time dealing with students, they don't need people coming in telling them what they are entitled to (we can find that out before you even know what we are doing on the computer), or arguing about why they feel they should get it when they aren't entitled. We're not trying to be the big meanie, just doing our jobs.

Oh, and had you gone to his supervisor, he would have given you the same answer.


Edited to add: Well said Loachman, you posted that as I was writing my own little novel. You hit the nail on the head, treat the counter staff with courtesy and respect, and we'll be more than happy to return the favour!
 
I'm going to guess that the original response of " no you cant have male pants" was met with some attitude of your own........
 
Actually there wasn't much arguing. I'm too shy to argue with someone in person. I said: "I was told I could, also many girls I work with have them..." with a massively confused look on my face. That's about as confrontational as I could be.
 
If you say so........

Anyways, if you feel you were unjustly treated, i suggest you ask to see that person's supervisor or speak to your own chain of command. If your complaint is legitimate, theres no reason why you wouldnt want to do that is there ?


 
Because I'm too shy to do that LOL. I feel awkward in those situations. Something I have to work on. :/ I always just walk away and vent later.
 
tovasshi said:
Actually there wasn't much arguing. I'm too shy to argue with someone in person. I said: "I was told I could, also many girls I work with have them..." with a massively confused look on my face. That's about as confrontational as I could be.

Yes, that was clearly demonstrated here:

tovasshi said:
This process is NOT a Base Supply or Clothing Stores process
I never said I didn't understand that, I thought it was clear when said I would accept him saying he couldn't change the docs, which I am okay with base supply no being able to do. Are you even reading what I am saying? Or are you just trying to pick what I am saying apart because I criticized one of your workers?

I just realized that's a picture of your behind in tight undies and you're an senior NCO?

and here:

tovasshi said:
I know being topless is legal in Ontario... but you're a MWO and you have a picture of your bum hanging out on a public military forum......

So, were/are you somehow "making an accusation of alleged misconduct or conduct not in good order with discipline" by me??

Or were you just throwing those points in there to be non-confrontational??
 
CDN Aviator said:
If you say so........

Anyways, if you feel you were unjustly treated, i suggest you ask to see that person's supervisor or speak to your own chain of command. If your complaint is legitimate, theres no reason why you wouldnt want to do that is there ?

She'll get referred by the supervisor to the same message outling the policy that I mentioned earlier. That message will state the same policy and actions required by her that the employee advised her on during her initial visit to clothing stores (as she herself has already posted earlier when she "outlined" what he told her.).
 
I think all that can be gleaned from this thread has been.

If someone has something useful they can add then PM a Mod.
Bruce
 
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