BHP replacement project - C22 Pistol megathread

[daftandbarmy]

The issue i see current is with so few trainers, It should be each brigade tracking them, not the units. I've offered to help other units and they have zero idea I am a C22 trainer. Units are not communicating how many trainers they have to pool resources.

As I recall we did something like that once, and all of a sudden our unit was running half the Bde through PWT 1-3...

 

[KevinB]

Oh hod the half cock on the bhp

I knew a PPCLI MCpl in Afghanistan who kept his BHP at Half Cock with the safety on (including times we were supposed to be at C3). Dwayne always figured he knew best - so I just ignored him. But at least he wasn’t trying to carry it in the M9 holsters that had been issued for a while.

Most of the Safariland 6004 holsters for the BHP were designed for condition 3 carry - which was a favorite of the Israeli SOF when they ran BHP’s, you needed to cut a half moon into the thumb safety strap to allow for C1 carry. Non of the stock Military BHP’s had great safeties as there wasn’t a lot of purchase. Unlike FBI HRT, SAS and some other non line unit entities running BHP’s that had larger safeties on them (so they could be reliably slipped off when needed) the Israeli SOF keep the stock safety which always baffled me.

 

[brihard]

I knew a PPCLI MCpl in Afghanistan who kept his BHP at Half Cock with the safety on (including times we were supposed to be at C3). Dwayne always figured he knew best - so I just ignored him. But at least he wasn’t trying to carry it in the M9 holsters that had been issued for a while.

Most of the Safariland 6004 holsters for the BHP were designed for condition 3 carry - which was a favorite of the Israeli SOF when they ran BHP’s, you needed to cut a half moon into the thumb safety strap to allow for C1 carry. Non of the stock Military BHP’s had great safeties as there wasn’t a lot of purchase. Unlike FBI HRT, SAS and some other non line unit entities running BHP’s that had larger safeties on them (so they could be reliably slipped off when needed) the Israeli SOF keep the stock safety which always baffled me.

I always wondered why CAF never upgraded the BHP safeties to be more easily worked.

 

[markppcli]

Another interesting aspect of the C22 rollout was that the Army initially mandated that to teach the C22 you had to be C22 instructor qualified.
You couldn’t simply be qualified on the C22 and an NCO with the small arms course.

This was done specifically to try to improve the pistol skills across the force and serve as a forcing function. The idea of needing a specific instructor qualified on in addition to be qualified on the weapon was not well received from my anecdotal experience.

A certain unit sent two Bdr’s on the training course who didn’t have any instructor qualifications of PLQ, instead of the three ASA quad guys posted in. Allegedly.

 

[KevinB]

A certain unit sent two Bdr’s on the training course who didn’t have any instructor qualifications of PLQ, instead of the three ASA quad guys posted in. Allegedly.

1 RCHA for $1000 Alex

 

[KevinB]

I always wondered why CAF never upgraded the BHP safeties to be more easily worked.

So there was briefly a No2 Mk1* upgrade program on the books. Sights, safety and deactivation of the magazine safety were on the agenda. The problem is if you deactivate the magazine safety the trigger gets very mushy unless the trigger bar is welded up to make up for the pressure/distance removed by the magazine safety plunger (another must have item for BHP’s IMHO).
The dollar value for the upgrades got to be over what was expected a new pistol would cost.

When you start looking at putting $850 of modifications on a then 50 year old pistol, a new pistol sort of sells itself.

Frankly I think weapons techs and mat techs could have done 99% of the work - and the only part really needing to be bought was the Novak Trijicon sights - but I wasn’t the LCMM…

 

[daftandbarmy]

I knew a PPCLI MCpl in Afghanistan who kept his BHP at Half Cock with the safety on (including times we were supposed to be at C3). Dwayne always figured he knew best - so I just ignored him. But at least he wasn’t trying to carry it in the M9 holsters that had been issued for a while.

Those Patricia's are always going off half cocked

 

[Fabius]

I haven't heard of that amendment before you mentioned it, ill have to look it up, if you have a reference off hand could you PM me it?

I will take a look this week once I am in the office.

 

[Fabius]

Most of the Safariland 6004 holsters for the BHP were designed for condition 3 carry - which was a favorite of the Israeli SOF when they ran BHP’s, you needed to cut a half moon into the thumb safety strap to allow for C1 carry.

Ya, I have a 6004 with that half moon cut in it. Wish I could get a BHP now to use with it.

So there was briefly a No2 Mk1* upgrade program on the books. Sights, safety and deactivation of the magazine safety were on the agenda. The problem is if you deactivate the magazine safety the trigger gets very mushy unless the trigger bar is welded up to make up for the pressure/distance removed by the magazine safety plunger (another must have item for BHP’s IMHO).
The dollar value for the upgrades got to be over what was expected a new pistol would cost.

When you start looking at putting $850 of modifications on a then 50 year old pistol, a new pistol sort of sells itself.

Frankly I think weapons techs and mat techs could have done 99% of the work - and the only part really needing to be bought was the Novak Trijicon sights - but I wasn’t the LCMM…

I thought that the Aussie BHP upgrades were okay. I got to use one a bit before they retired them and they incorporated new grips, sights and safeties (I think? It’s been a while). I don’t think they modified the mag safety.