Biden Presidency 2020-?

[FJAG]

The issue is shitty politicians on both sides of ailes and trying to blame it on one four year period IS disingenuous and highly speculative.

The fact that there are shitty politicians on both sides of those aisles is beyond argument but the US has been severely and perhaps irrevocably damaged by the bullcrap that Trump and his sycophant minions started well before the election with the fraudulent vote fairytales. This, which lead up to the nonsense that went on on January the sixth and continues to this day, completely undermines the concept of fair elections and peaceful transfers of power.

The US is in a situation where a significant majority votes Democrat and a vocal but very large minority vote right Republican regardless of how weak or strong a candidate is put up at the local, state or federal level. More often than not the more extreme a candidate presents himself the more he is supported by his faction. How long can this go on peacefully?

Up until 2020 the basic acceptance of the outcome of an election as a fair process that determined the winner led to peaceful transfers of power. What Trump and his gang did was undermine that concept. That isn't mere speculation when you consider the fact that notwithstanding the repeated assurances by various state representatives - most of them Republican - confirming the election was fair, many many Americans refuse to accept that. Notwithstanding those assurances by state officials the bullshitery continuous and the myth of a "stolen election" is being eaten up as gospel by much of the "base" and is still being minimized by their elected federal Republican representatives in Congress. Many Republican state houses are trying to jimmy the next election in their favour.

Regardless of which Donkey and Elephant are put up in the next election, there will be trouble. That goes well beyond either high or mere speculation.

Tell me with a straight face that this Trump inspired madness has not harmed the country.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It happens because nobody believes what politicians say. You have TDS. Others despise Obama and now Biden with equal rancor. For every instance you want to blame on Trump, it can be countered by cases from the Democrats. No one side has a lock on it. You might as well howl at the moon.

Besides, if Trump was so bad why is Biden trying to steal his accomplishments.

 

[QV]

I‘d take a Trump over a Biden or Trudeau all day every day.

Though it is fun watching the Biden disaster, and he doesn’t even have the corrupt establishment trying to burn him down every day.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Biden is dancing to someone else's song. He's doing what he's told like a Manchurian candidate. And if something goes sour he's the perfect fall guy. He won't remember who told him what to do in the first place.

 

[Mick]

It's pretty easy to dismiss opposing points of view by labeling them as symptoms of "<insert name> derangement syndrome".

Those who tend to use the phrase could probably be accurately described as holding equally strong views.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

In FJAG's case, it's a term of endearment. You're psychological sleuthing isn't required. My viewpoints are no secret here.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Many Republican state houses are trying to jimmy the next election in their favour.

Which changes, specifically, are objectionable?

Part of what led to the last election circus was that Trump felt people were out to get him. He wasn't delusional; people really were out to get him. There's a price - call it "damage" - for using every possible angle to extract political advantage and for repeatedly deceiving people. He and his supporters didn't do all of it.

People aren't going to trust election results unless election controls are strong and seen to be strong. Ponder on who is trying to loosen controls and who is trying to firm them up.

I suppose there will be another circus, though, because Democrats are increasingly desperate and nothing they do - spinning Biden's haphazard remarks after his public appearances, the Jan 6 commission circus, endless bloviating about democracy in peril - is gaining traction. Most Americans aren't having any of it and aren't satisfied by what the administration and the Congressional majority leadership are doing about the issues of the day (the issues that matter to most people, not the issues that matter to well-off progressives).

If Biden really is physically and mentally deteriorating (he is old, the presidency is stressful), he probably hasn't bottomed out yet. Ponder on that, too.

 

[Mick]

In FJAG's case, it's a term of endearment. You're psychological sleuthing isn't required. My viewpoints are no secret here.

If I was addressing you specifically, I would have quoted you.

 

[FJAG]

Which changes, specifically, are objectionable?

Here are two articles that explain the situation. Yes. Both are left leaning. I sincerely doubt that Tucker Carlson will ever do an expose on it. I don't include the articles to persuade anyone. I doubt that I can. I include them because they are well written and if one does read them then yone will see what I believe is going on and what I find objectionable.

How the GOP Rigs Elections

With combination of gerrymandering, voter-ID laws, dark money, Republicans have tipped political scales. Will it keep Democrats from victory in 2018?

www.rollingstone.com

January 6 Was Practice

Donald Trump’s next coup has already begun—and today’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert future elections.

www.theatlantic.com

Part of what led to the last election circus was that Trump felt people were out to get him. He wasn't delusional; people really were out to get him. There's a price - call it "damage" - for using every possible angle to extract political advantage and for repeatedly deceiving people. He and his supporters didn't do all of it.

Of course people were out to get him. It was an election. That's how they work. And TDS is a very real thing, just like the newer version - BDS - is. At the same time don't confuse a few people's TDS or BDS with legitimate concerns held by the majority of people about the mental stability of the person whose finger is on the trigger and who behaves in a mentally unstable manner. Some see it in Biden. Many saw and continue to see it in Trump.

People aren't going to trust election results unless election controls are strong and seen to be strong. Ponder on who is trying to loosen controls and who is trying to firm them up.

The point is that the election controls were strong. Where the problem really lies is that a large group of Americans have been convinced that there was widespread fraud when every court, every jurisdiction reported that there wasn't. And now there are political entities using that fear to put into place regulations that either prevent or make it very hard for certain portions of the population to vote. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was put into place for a very good reason - and it was passed by a strong majority in both houses. Notwithstanding the 5-3 decision in Shelby County in 2013 which in essence emasculated the law, racial discrimination with respect to voting laws and procedures, especially in the Southern States, or in any state with a large black or brown population, still runs rampant. 12% of blacks voted for a Republican president. 88% voted for the other guy. 2/3rds of Latino voters went for Biden. The math is simple - reduce the black/brown vote or fragment it through Gerrymandering and the likelihood of an Electoral College nudge in the Republican's favour increases.

The fact that black or brown voters vote left is simple - they generally come from a class that has less economic advantages. Why wouldn't they vote for Democrats? Republicans trade on white lower and middle class fears that they will be subsumed in a socialist black and brown state.

I suppose there will be another circus, though, because Democrats are increasingly desperate and nothing they do - spinning Biden's haphazard remarks after his public appearances, the Jan 6 commission circus, endless bloviating about democracy in peril - is gaining traction. Most Americans aren't having any of it and aren't satisfied by what the administration and the Congressional majority leadership are doing about the issues of the day (the issues that matter to most people, not the issues that matter to well-off progressives).

Are you going to put any blame on the Republican Senate for shooting down all legislation that comes their way? Infrastructure? Voting Rights?

Here's a list of the bills that have been entered this session and where they stand. Take particular note of the fact that around 235 bills have passed the House and are bogged down in the Senate. This is why nothing gets done in the US.

If Biden really is physically and mentally deteriorating (he is old, the presidency is stressful), he probably hasn't bottomed out yet. Ponder on that, too.

I really don't understand why Republicans and their fans want to find Biden mentally incompetent. You do know what the outcome of his resigning or the invocation of the 25th Amendment would result in, don't you? Here's a hint.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The fact that there are shitty politicians on both sides of those aisles is beyond argument but the US has been severely and perhaps irrevocably damaged by the bullcrap that Trump and his sycophant minions started well before the election with the fraudulent vote fairytales. This, which lead up to the nonsense that went on on January the sixth and continues to this day, completely undermines the concept of fair elections and peaceful transfers of power.

Ok how ? The country was already a seething, overly emotional and polarized cesspool after a long period of rioting and uncontrolled crime all over the country. It culminated in the Donnybrook of Jan 6th. That country went through a full on civil war and managed to run elections, united, afterwards. I'm sure the little dust up that was the Jan 6th "Insurrection" wont change things that much, no matter how much those who stand to make gains from it claim. Don't forget the plurality of people did not vote for Trump. He was well in defeated territory.

The US is in a situation where a significant majority votes Democrat and a vocal but very large minority vote right Republican regardless of how weak or strong a candidate is put up at the local, state or federal level. More often than not the more extreme a candidate presents himself the more he is supported by his faction. How long can this go on peacefully?

I have no idea, I hope forever. But the USA has a habit of resetting violently every now and then.

Up until 2020 the basic acceptance of the outcome of an election as a fair process that determined the winner led to peaceful transfers of power. What Trump and his gang did was undermine that concept. That isn't mere speculation when you consider the fact that notwithstanding the repeated assurances by various state representatives - most of them Republican - confirming the election was fair, many many Americans refuse to accept that. Notwithstanding those assurances by state officials the bullshitery continuous and the myth of a "stolen election" is being eaten up as gospel by much of the "base" and is still being minimized by their elected federal Republican representatives in Congress. Many Republican state houses are trying to jimmy the next election in their favour.

Are you and my Father twitter friends ? He spouts the same stuff all the time. When one party actually manages to steal an election, federal or state, I will buy you a Beer.

Regardless of which Donkey and Elephant are put up in the next election, there will be trouble. That goes well beyond either high or mere speculation.

Perhaps.

Tell me with a straight face that this Trump inspired madness has not harmed the country.

No, Sir. Its not up to me to prove your point. Its up to you.

 

[mariomike]

Republicans trade on white lower and middle class fears that they will be subsumed in a socialist black and brown state.

If that is the case,

White voters account for a diminished share of registered voters than in the past, declining from 85% in 1996 to 69% ahead of this year’s ( 2020 ) election.

Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory

A new analysis of 2020 validated voters examines change and continuity in the electorate, both of which contributed to Joe Biden’s victory. It looks at how new voters and voters who turned out in either 2016, 2018 or both voted in the 2020 presidential election, and offers a detailed portrait of...

www.pewresearch.org

My wife votes as an absentee in their elections, so I was curious to see which team Jewish people support,

Poll: Jewish voters favored Biden over Trump 77-21

Support higher than for Clinton in 2016, J Street poll indicates; 78% of Jewish respondents back Democrats in congressional races

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

Here are two articles that explain the situation.

The first one is paywalled. The second does not answer my question. No amount of hand-wringing about conspiracists and imagined things that might happen or people's oddball beliefs about what did happen can do that. Assertions of voter suppression are just bullsh!t until the speaker/writer explains exactly which laws are unreasonably hindering people from voting. Better to find some writers who drill down into the substances of the laws, and what they do and do not require or forbid.

These are some of the things that are reasonable: voter ID requirements that establish identity and residency, on-request-only mail-out ballots, fixed time windows for pre-election and election day voting and for post-election counting and certification, controlled drop boxes, controlled or forbidden third-party ballot collection, state oversight of district election officials, Electoral Count Act reforms to limit and structure challenges, formalization of extraordinary pandemic voting provisions, limits on electioneering opportunities near polling stations, regular purges of invalid registered voters from lists (databases).

Obviously any of those things makes it "harder to vote" than just shotgunning ballots out to every address in a database, allowing anyone to collect them anywhere by any means and return them to polling stations on or after election day where they are counted by people with limited or no oversight.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Are you going to put any blame on the Republican Senate for shooting down all legislation that comes their way? Infrastructure? Voting Rights?

You can't be serious. Surely you are informed enough to know why those bills were shot down by Republicans and a couple of Democrats?

Here's a list of the bills that have been entered this session and where they stand. Take particular note of the fact that around 235 bills have passed the House and are bogged down in the Senate. This is why nothing gets done in the US.

I'm not going to go through 235 bills to pinpoint why Pelosi's Democrats were happy to pass them and McConnell's Republicans are happy to let them die. Bills rightly go nowhere when they fit either of the following: a one-party wish-list; or, an otherwise useful bill with a poison pill (unacceptable legislative provision). The Democrats passed a whole bunch of sh!t right after they won the House, pretty much all of which was just a theatre performance. (For those who may not have figured it out: a common political tactic is to pass a bill with a major good thing and an un- or under-stated poison pill in order to use it to flog the other party. Contrived example: HR 1, a bill to Feed All the Children, which contains deep within its 250 pages one line outlawing the Republican party. The Republicans refuse to pass it; the Democrats flood the media with stories about how Republicans don't want to Feed All the Children. Get the picture?)

 

[Brad Sallows]

I really don't understand why Republicans and their fans want to find Biden mentally incompetent. You do know what the outcome of his resigning or the invocation of the 25th Amendment would result in, don't you? Here's a hint.

You really don't understand Republicans. To the extent I gauge their sentiment, Republicans and their fans are perfectly happy with the prospect of running against Biden or Harris in 2024. (Or Buttigieg, or Hillary Clinton, who are the two I've seen most often proposed as insertions after the defenestration of Harris and Biden.) Some have already thought it through: finding Biden incompetent makes Harris harder for Democrats to challenge (a primary challenge of an incumbent president has historically been high-risk) and reduces the likelihood that Democrats can find a way out of their 2024 candidacy problem.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

US Election have had a long history of various forms of vote rigging, check out the realignments of district boundaries. Plus the flood of Illegals who are being "legalized" to allow them to vote is another form of vote rigging. Do you think for one minute the Dems would be sympathetic, if they felt those votes would go the other way?

 

[mariomike]

Plus the flood of Illegals who are being "legalized" to allow them to vote is another form of vote rigging.

Plus "shrinkage",

The GOP's main voter bloc is shrinking

The electorate is shifting — and not in the Republican Party's favor

theweek.com

And it's here where you'll find the most terrifying information for the GOP. According to Pew, Trump won a decisive majority only with members of the "Silent Generation," those born between 1928 and 1945 (and the extremely tiny number of living people older than that).
That means that the only reliably Republican voter bloc will shrink considerably between now and 2024.
Every time the sun comes up, the GOP's struggle to win a majority of American voters gets harder.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yet he's been growing black and Latino voters more than anyone since the 60's.
I've also seen more than a couple of articles where Dems are moving to the Republicans because they don't like the new socialism of the Democrat party. My guess is that anyone over 40 has been raised to be extremely wary and mistrustful of anything socialist (communist). After all, they have been the enemy since the end of WWll. Lots of voters are Veterans of Korea, Vietnam Nam, Grenada and any number of bush wars against the communists and they see it in the Democrats. If anyone is going to suffer from 'shrinkage', I believe it will be the democrats in 2022 and 24.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The GOP's main voter bloc is shrinking

The electorate is shifting — and not in the Republican Party's favor

theweek.com

Your article is a little dated. July 2021. A whole lot of failure by Biden has happened since then.

The Week (USA) - Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

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[mariomike]

The Week (USA) - Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

mediabiasfactcheck.com

>We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record.

Source:

Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory

A new analysis of 2020 validated voters examines change and continuity in the electorate, both of which contributed to Joe Biden’s victory. It looks at how new voters and voters who turned out in either 2016, 2018 or both voted in the 2020 presidential election, and offers a detailed portrait of...

www.pewresearch.org

Age and generation​

A yawning age gap in voter support – a pattern that emerged in the 2004 presidential election for the first time since 1972 – continues to be evident, with voters under 30 favoring Joe Biden by 24 percentage points (Biden 59%, Trump 35%).

Perhaps reflecting the enduring impact of this long-term age gap, voters ages 30 to 49 were also solidly in the Democratic candidate’s camp in 2020, favoring Biden by 12 points (55%-43%), similar to Clinton’s share among this age group. By contrast, older age groups divided fairly evenly between Biden and Trump, a result not too different from 2016.

Only among members of the Silent Generation, ages 75 to 92 in 2020, was Trump clearly favored (by 58%-42%). Notably, Boomers and Silents (and the very small number of voters from the Greatest Generation) made up less than half of the electorate in 2020 (44%), compared with just over half in both 2016 and 2018.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

I still don't believe Biden got more votes than Obama.