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Bring Back the Victualler trade

Halifax Tar

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Hey there folks. Just an ideas but I would like to see the CF bring back the Victualler trade. Any thoughts ?

If you dont know what a victualler is well im the guy who stores and is responsible for the food on the ship. I dont cook it I just demand it, recieve is and issue it.


(Edited by Moderator to clarify title.)
 
But why bring back a trade when it can be done by a storesy?  My current trade is the result of an amalgamation, so I understand all that stuff, about having to do a job that might not really be yours.  When was the victualler trade gotten rid of?  What was the reasoning behind getting rid of it?  What would be the reasoning to bring it back?
 
Agreed...why bring a trade back that is more then adequately handled by a supply tech?
 
Agreed with the last two posts. We call those Supply Techs serving in those naval posns "Vittler's" these days. Hope never to be one....even though I am a Supply Tech!! I'd rather be the IMP God.  ;D

Army Vern
 
Ex-Dragoon said:
Agreed...
The Librarian said:

It's going to go to my head, all of these people agreeing with me.  8)

I am still interested in the background of the Victualler trade though.  I assume it was gotten rid of because it could be handled by the supply techs?  I've never heard of the actual trade before.
 
Awesome Vern!  Thank you.  I knew I could count on you to direct me to the correct shelf in the library!  :D
 
The Librarian said:
Ohhh trust me...she's given me enough homework to do lately!!

Just keeping you on your toes!  Just keep me in mind for your next posting as a vittles-girl.  I'll bring you up to speed on life as a sailor.

As for you Ex-D... :P
 
navymich said:
Just keep me in mind for your next posting as a vittles-girl.  I'll bring you up to speed on life as a sailor.

Nah, my first posting was Halifax...where I worked in the Ration Depot....I'll pass on the vittler posting!!
 
Halifax Tar said:
Hey there folks. Just an ideas but I would like to see the CF bring back the Victualler trade. Any thoughts ?

I think a smaller Service requires less specialty in trades.  For similar examples, consider the amalgamation of finance and administration clerks into the RMS Clerk trade, signalmen and radio operators, or the amalgamation of air force tech trades.

I wonder why you'd prefer to see the trade split, though?  I would have thought that having a broader area of responsibility would make for a more interesting trade.
 
And that's exactly it. Supply Techs on Air and Army bases do contracts, rations etc as part of the daily routine. There is no difference between this and the Naval requirements. I do a contract for rations and have them delivered to where my Unit will be on Exercise or Operation, same for clothing, PP&S etc etc. The vittler does this for wherever his ship will be in port.

No need for a seperate trade for the Navy to do this. It's all the same thing. We are purple, and therefore can perform this function no matter where we happen to be located with whatever enviornment.
 
I'd really like to hear back from Halifax Tar on this.  He started out the thread, and many of us are now asking "why?" for this reasoning.  He must have some sort of logic behind it....
 
Well... he only asked an hour ago and isn't online at the moment.

You could wait days before you get a response, if ever!
 
I know Trinity.  But you would expect that if someone was asking a question like that, that they would either give more info or their own opinion in the opening post, or at least stick around for a bit to see how things went.  Not post and run.
 
lol  ;D hey folks easy now. I have other stuff to besides float around this pack old salts! By god I have the north end pub to frequent followed by a stint at the rodeo. Well anyways moving right along...

Yes I do have a stake in this as I am at present the Victualler onboard HMCS Toronto. My reason for wishing to see this trade come back is really quite simple. We dont teach this anymore in supply. People think its all about storeing the vittles and issueing them to the cooks. Buts its really allot more if dont correctly (which I do not claim to protray  ::) ) Its may not be a highly technical job like Electrican or Steward but keeping your fridges and freezers in good sanitary shape, rotating your stock to ensure and spoiled or out of date stock is removed and the financial accounting it takes is just the tip of the ice-berg. To me I just simply love the job I think its the best thing supply has going for it, Navy wise, and its not really a supply job.

JUst storeing the freezer properly takes a high attention to detail and control of the storeing party.

I dont know perhaps Im just rambling but hey I like the job and I think its well outside the realms of a SupTech proper. Especially sense that give us back the control of Clothing and the canteen. 
 
Haha HT, those of us who know you realise you really only want to be able to raid the fridge at night...

Being the bugger that I am, I would like to digress and comment on some of the earlier comments regards almagamation of trades.  From my discussions with people who have been through this process, it may seem that less is not necessarily more.  While these dovetailing of trades with similar responsibilities look good on paper in the same vein that a design engineer will put pen to paper but in the real world does not have to service what he has created.  Talk to any Tech and they will bitch at length on this point alone.

I have talked to several trades that suffered this upheaval in the last decade, from the 500 series trades to the RMS people.  From the comments I have heard there is no real happiness overall.  Mich might have a different perspective as she has been closer to the fire with the Nav Comm world.  Talking to the Air Det about this I get the general impression that they feel they have to cover too broad of a spectrum now and cannot get as comfortable in their trade as they did previously. 

Being in the MSE area of the Navy I am in one of the trades that is being looked at in a similar vein for the future, say 10 to 15 years from now.  If I understand correctly, they will collectively dump all what are now Stokers/ET/HT together for their intital training to common core.  After a period of time they will then split them off into one of the three branches of work.  This is I believe similar to what is done with the RAN and possible the RN.  I don't know how they have made out and if it works as a system.  I can see the appeal on paper for something like this, but in the trenches here the feeling on my side of the house is united.  We don't like the idea one bloody bit and there will be a serious loss of experienced personnel should it occur as these people are on the 10/30 plan.  Just like when they created the CAF from the Navy, Army and Air Force.  Shotgun weddings will work after a fashion, but here we are after almost 40 years of unification and there are still some missfires in the engine from time to time.
 
jollyjacktar said:
here we are after almost 40 years of unification and there are still some missfires in the engine from time to time.

Dont even get me started JJ  :tsktsk: You know my stance on how Hellyer bungled our military all to h... e... double hockey sticks

Your right JJ. You got me! lol And well if I want ice cream on a duty watch well damnit Im gonna have it! lol hahaha

 
jollyjacktar said:
Mich might have a different perspective as she has been closer to the fire with the Nav Comm world. 

Good thing I get my yearly NFF refresher training, eh?  ;D


Besides just the amalgamation of trades, you need to look at the changing of platforms too.  A big example of this is the NavRes engineers (once DMechs, now MESOs).  It's fine with the people that are available to continue to train and learn, but what about the "old" guys.  The ones that got their tickets on the sweepers or pigs (gate vessels) and now the MCDVs are here.  Alot of those people don't have the time (due to civy jobs, families etc) to requal for their tickets, over and over again.  I know some argue that they should be classified dead-weight and be released, but on the other hand, you need to look at the knowledge they have, even if some of it is outdated.
 
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