daftandbarmy
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I wonder if his hired comedian speech writer helped him with this one 
British Columbia NDP Majority Government 2024-(no later than) 2029
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Brad Sallows
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We aren't partners. We're all citizens of one country, and should be equal - under the same laws, with the same rights to vote and run for office wherever we live.
It was a grave mistake to jump enthusiastically onto the UNDRIP bandwagon, which is very much a have-their-cake-and-eat-it-too document. It was self-sabotage, and it was intentional (ie. done knowing that it would be difficult to undo). In particular, we can't pay 21st century prices to "compensate" and "provide". There is no reason 750 hectares in Richmond should be more valuable for these purposes than 750 acres of random riverbank anywhere.
Apologists have tried to pretend for the past few decades that this has been unfolding that there would be no vetoes, and that there would be no threats to property rights or values. Most must have known better, which would mean they lied. Some probably viewed this as desirable.
It was a grave mistake to jump enthusiastically onto the UNDRIP bandwagon, which is very much a have-their-cake-and-eat-it-too document. It was self-sabotage, and it was intentional (ie. done knowing that it would be difficult to undo). In particular, we can't pay 21st century prices to "compensate" and "provide". There is no reason 750 hectares in Richmond should be more valuable for these purposes than 750 acres of random riverbank anywhere.
Apologists have tried to pretend for the past few decades that this has been unfolding that there would be no vetoes, and that there would be no threats to property rights or values. Most must have known better, which would mean they lied. Some probably viewed this as desirable.
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Chinese And Indigenous History & Relationships In Canada | FCCRWC
Chinese and Indigenous communities have shared histories.
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Chinese and First Nations people have a complex history of association in Canada, particularly in British Columbia, rooted in shared experiences of colonialism, racism, and economic cooperation during events like the gold rush and the building of the
Canadian Pacific Railway. Over time, this has led to significant intermarriage, partnerships, and the creation of enduring communities and shared cultural experiences that have often been overlooked.
Historical context
Partnership and cooperation
Cultural exchange and modern relations
Chinese and First Nations people have a complex history of association in Canada, particularly in British Columbia, rooted in shared experiences of colonialism, racism, and economic cooperation during events like the gold rush and the building of the
Canadian Pacific Railway. Over time, this has led to significant intermarriage, partnerships, and the creation of enduring communities and shared cultural experiences that have often been overlooked.
Historical context
- Gold Rush: The association began in 1858 with the Fraser River Gold Rush, when Chinese immigrants, including many from California, arrived to mine for gold, interacting with First Nations communities.
- Canadian Pacific Railway: The construction of the Canadian Pacific Railway in the 1880s brought thousands of Chinese laborers, who worked alongside or in close proximity to First Nations people. Chinese workers made up a majority of the workforce on certain sections.
- Shared experiences: Both groups experienced significant racism, discrimination, and exclusion from white society, including being denied voting rights and facing exploitative labor conditions. This created a shared sense of being second-class citizens.
Partnership and cooperation
- Intermarriage: A notable outcome of their interactions was a high rate of intermarriage. One study suggests about one in six Chinese men in British Columbia created families with local Indigenous women, often leading to intimate ties and shared families with First Nations communities.
- Economic collaboration: Chinese immigrants and First Nations people sometimes entered into economic partnerships, such as Chinese individuals renting land from First Nations to farm and hiring Indigenous people to help with the labor.
- Mutual support: There are documented instances of First Nations people assisting Chinese workers, for example, by helping sick or injured railway workers.
Cultural exchange and modern relations
- Shared struggle: Both communities shared experiences of hardship under colonial and discriminatory policies, including the impact of residential schools on First Nations.
- Contemporary dialogue: Recent initiatives, such as festivals and community dialogues, aim to highlight these historical relationships, promote greater cultural understanding, and address shared misunderstandings between communities.
- Cultural preservation: Organizations and cultural centers have been established to preserve and showcase the shared history and culture of these communities.
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The forgotten ties : relationships between First Nations people and early Chinese immigrants in British Columbia, Canada (1858-1947)
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A forgotten history: tracing the ties between B.C.'s First Nations and Chinese workers
Archeologists are chronicling the largely forgotten history between Chinese workers and the province's First Nation people
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And one more for good measure.
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China’s ambitions in the North American Arctic - Diplomat Magazine
Lindsay L. Rodman is the International Affairs Fellow (Canada) at the Council on Foreign Relations and a visiting scholar at the Centre for International
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Elbows up, and knock out the tanker ban while you're at it
You can smell the fear now that the big budget is on the table...
B.C. Premier David Eby stood with members of numerous First Nations from B.C.’s northern coast on Wednesday to support and sign a declaration that asks Ottawa to continue a moratorium on oil tankers in the province’s northern waters.
The North Coast Protection Declaration is the latest advocacy by B.C. to urge the federal government to protect the environment and the autonomy of First Nations, as Alberta Premier Danielle Smith pushes for a new private-sector pipeline that would send crude oil to the northern B.C. coast for export to Asia.
The declaration says any spill of crude oil in the area would destroy billions of dollars in economic activity along the coast, and result in "generations of lost livelihoods and irreversible ecological damage."
You can smell the fear now that the big budget is on the table...
B.C. premier, First Nations call on feds to continue oil tanker ban
Declaration comes amid Alberta premier's pipeline push, Ottawa's effort to fast-track major projects
B.C. Premier David Eby stood with members of numerous First Nations from B.C.’s northern coast on Wednesday to support and sign a declaration that asks Ottawa to continue a moratorium on oil tankers in the province’s northern waters.
The North Coast Protection Declaration is the latest advocacy by B.C. to urge the federal government to protect the environment and the autonomy of First Nations, as Alberta Premier Danielle Smith pushes for a new private-sector pipeline that would send crude oil to the northern B.C. coast for export to Asia.
The declaration says any spill of crude oil in the area would destroy billions of dollars in economic activity along the coast, and result in "generations of lost livelihoods and irreversible ecological damage."
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Eby made this announcement the the BC Grand Chief whose wife is an NDP MLA.
I would like to see the written claim to this land. FN history is generally oral, pictorial, passed down generation to generation.
I would like to see the written claim to this land. FN history is generally oral, pictorial, passed down generation to generation.
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Add, a civil claim case by the Secwepemc Nation for Kamloops. The case seeks Aboriginal title over the entire city and other areas.
100,000 + people in Kamloops.
100,000 + people in Kamloops.
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BC has a total area of 944,735 km2
Apparently 95% of that area is not covered by any treaty.
I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that the previous inhabitants have an arguable case for the land.
Even if those 290,210 people only represent 5.9% of the population.
In Scotland 57% of the land and half of that land is held by 421 people. Less than .01% of the population.
Meanwhile
61.8% of the population lives in large urban areas like Richmond
12.9% of the poulation lives in medium urban areas like Kamloops
11.7% of the population lives in small urban areas
13.6% of the population lives in rural areas
I am going to suggest that there is a higher percentage of indigenous people in the rural areas than the urban areas.
85% of the population lives in the urban areas
And that is where most of the non-indigenous population lives.
The urban area of BC is 83,447 km2 or about 9% of the total area.
Victoria, Sooke, Nanaimo and Port Hardy are secured by the Douglas treaties.
Fort St. John and Fort Nelson are secured by treaty 8
Notably Vancouver and the Lower Mainland, along with the Okanagan and Shuswap valleys are not.
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If the First Nations were negotiating as a collective and I was them I am not sure that I would have picked either the Richmond or the Kamloops fight.
A good chunk of the urban population has been sympathetic to indigenous land claims and was quite willing to let the government bargain with the first nations for the 90% of BC they didn't use and only visted occasionally.
By bringing attention to the 5% of the territory that is in dispute, that territory being the most populous part, and by making the issue personal to home-owners, they have likely lost a good deal of that useful sympathy.
Unless they wanted to stir up dissent....
Apparently 95% of that area is not covered by any treaty.
I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that the previous inhabitants have an arguable case for the land.
Even if those 290,210 people only represent 5.9% of the population.
In Scotland 57% of the land and half of that land is held by 421 people. Less than .01% of the population.
Meanwhile
61.8% of the population lives in large urban areas like Richmond
12.9% of the poulation lives in medium urban areas like Kamloops
11.7% of the population lives in small urban areas
13.6% of the population lives in rural areas
I am going to suggest that there is a higher percentage of indigenous people in the rural areas than the urban areas.
85% of the population lives in the urban areas
And that is where most of the non-indigenous population lives.
The urban area of BC is 83,447 km2 or about 9% of the total area.
Victoria, Sooke, Nanaimo and Port Hardy are secured by the Douglas treaties.
Fort St. John and Fort Nelson are secured by treaty 8
Notably Vancouver and the Lower Mainland, along with the Okanagan and Shuswap valleys are not.
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If the First Nations were negotiating as a collective and I was them I am not sure that I would have picked either the Richmond or the Kamloops fight.
A good chunk of the urban population has been sympathetic to indigenous land claims and was quite willing to let the government bargain with the first nations for the 90% of BC they didn't use and only visted occasionally.
By bringing attention to the 5% of the territory that is in dispute, that territory being the most populous part, and by making the issue personal to home-owners, they have likely lost a good deal of that useful sympathy.
Unless they wanted to stir up dissent....
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That case has (as do all of them, I suppose) a particular context: opposition to the proposed Ajax mine. Opposition wasn't limited to them. Kamloops has gotten big enough that the "life-of-the-mind" community is starting to act like it can pick and choose what sits at the bottom of its economic pyramid, while at the same time using perfidious political means to spend on frivolities like the new entertainment centre.
But it underscores the insanity of allowing small communities whose membership is decided mostly on hereditary grounds to hinder economic development.
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So you favour a Canadian Republic and not a monarchy, then?
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All extant inhabitants have an identical case for the land. The dead and who they were and where they came from are irrelevant. Anything less is a warped fusion of apartheid and feudalism. No-one has a choice about where or to whom he is born; as a principle, naturalized immigrants ought only be admitted as equal citizens and never as some approximation of indentured servants.
If the politicians and lawyers and judges don't fix this shit now and utterly break and gut the political rent-seekers among us, worse is coming.
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Yes. My views on the political structure have changed dramatically in the past 20 years.
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Plus side is that if 95% of BC were the personal fiefdoms of 202 mutually antagonistic chiefs then getting that pipeline to tidewater might become easier.
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One other thing about these ownership debates. Under common law once you have accepted money in accordance with an agreement you have accepted the agreement.
How much money have the BC nations accepted from the Crown and for how long?
Doesn't that tend to dilute their claims?
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One other thing about these ownership debates. Under common law once you have accepted money in accordance with an agreement you have accepted the agreement.
How much money have the BC nations accepted from the Crown and for how long?
Doesn't that tend to dilute their claims?
Quirky
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The tap needs to be shut off, like yesterday.
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My problem with that, as you state it, is that I wish to assist my children and their children by passing on my accumulated property to them as their inherited right.
If property means anything it has to mean the same to everyone.
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I do agree with you that this is a mess that needs fixing urgently and the poloticians are the chosen fixers, Only problem is that your current fixer is not a supporter of individual property rights.
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PS does BC's push for densification enter into this? The more people they can squeeze onto Granville Island the less need they have of Aldergrove.
And Aldergrve never votes NDP anyway.
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