C/CWO Bloggins, LSM, ACSM

[ROTP Applicant]

i don't have any medals so i would not get anything added to my name to how you said "show off". i will be lucky to get the legion medal by the time i leave and that is one of the ones i said did not deserve the abbreviation



i would never want ribbons for the cadets. the Americans get ribbons for everything. we all know that why should there cadets be any different?

cadets don't do a BMQ we do summer camps and we get a badge for it that goes on our sleeve. if we do another camp the next year we take the old one off and put on a new one so we wouldn't have like 12 ribbons for different camps we have done.

what do you mean "What is your fascination with trying to impress people?" i am not cadet bloggins and i have no medals. i am not trying to impress anyone.

last thing why am i going to be disappointed with this life?


people do not sign checks with post nominals. simply first and last name, or your signature. so is cadets wearing military ranks a mockery of the military and those who really deserve them?


it was just something i was thinking about. it is not like i am writing the CF head office and proposing it

i didnt mean it dosent matter.it is what i saidbut what i ment was we are cadets, army air or navy. we wear the ranks of members of the CF (even thought they mean nothing in the accual CF) and i was just thinking why not have post nominominal medals such as the bravary award or a medal like that. it has only been awarded like 8 times and it is a pretty important medal.it is like the cadet equivilant to the V.C. i know it is not even close but it is the cadet equivilant.

Hutch, I think you missed the whole point all of these guys are trying to make. Cadets don't need post-nominals!!!!! In the post above, all you did was correct useless facts that barely have anything to do with the point the guys were trying to make. You never answered the question: Why do you want to have post-nominals?? And "just cause it's cool", is not a good answer.

 

[Jonny Boy]

why do i want them? it is not so much that i want them as it would bring a sense of pride to a outstanding cadet that has preformed extreme duties to achieve oh lets say the cadet award for bravary.

i just think it would be nice to see one small and harmless thing added to the cadets to make it more.......... oh i don't know militaryish (if that's a word) i am not saying that cadet aren't associated with the military enough. they are. but i just thought it might be nice for those cadets that are really outstanding to get postnominals.

there are like 7 medals in the army cadets. i am only saying it should be don't for the top 2 maybe 3. those medals are very rarely awarded, so i don't thing it would be abusing postnominals.

To comment on the rank comment,

Our ranks used to be red, and even still, our epaulets have "CADET," and our shoulder flashes something about cadets. We by no means mean to look like we belong to the CF; we do distinguish ourselves apart

yes but if you were to take a CF SGT rank ond put it on your uniform NOW there is no difference in the badge.

 

[Jonny Boy]

Heres the question, who cares? Who is going to see it and understand it?

When you walk into the legion or mess with VC, MMM etc after your name, people notice and know what it means. In the civvie world, some people know and respect these abbreviations or, if they do not, can have them explained to them (This is the VC, to get it you have to do...). These abbreviations mean something when your having your name read out on an obituary, parade etc in the CF.

What would cadets use this for? Cadet medals, whoppie dee doo (I can say that, I was a cadet). I did more for my Chief Scout award in Boy Scouts then the Legion medal entails, for example, and I don't have or want CS after my name. Earning the MMM, or the CD etc means something both inside and outside the CF. Getting a cadet medal means little in cadets and almost nothing outside of it.

I think this is all about the LCF. You are in cadets 7 years (max), what kind of truly meaningful awards can you recieve (other then a bravery medal) in that time that would make it worth having it after your name? I'm not slagging anyone's accomplishments, but come on, big hairy deal. Cadet medals, yes, nice to earn and have. But in the grand scheme of things....

Military medals mean something inside and outside the CF. Cadets medals have meaning only to cadets. There is your answer.

who cares? i am sure some people, lol

the people that see it and understand it are those who are inside the cadet program. it is just as easy to explain the cadet award for bravary ans it is the VC. if some one is truly interested than they will listen and care.

i know they are not the same thing as the military medals but they do mean something to cadets.

i can agree about the legion medal it is fairly easy to get. but like have said in almost every post there should only be postnominals for the really high cadet medals. like the cadet award for bravary. not he legion medal or anavets. the service medal was made to be like the CD for cadets. why not get all the benefits that it has?

 

[Jonny Boy]

so you agree that the bravary medal should have to abreviations? what about the royal canadian humane association medal?

i know you cant really compare the CD with th ACSM but that is the reason the cadets have the ACSM it is supossed to be the cadet version of the CD. i know thereis a huge difference in the 2 medals, not just that one is for the miltary and one is for cadet.

i am going to change the voting options for the poll if anyone has a problem with that thay say something soon

 

[Jonny Boy]

well i don't know about having a medal you earned in cadets on your CF uniform. there has Been a cadet receive the star of curage and another that got he bravary medal. those i am guessing that they are given out the civilians since really cadets are civilians. they are also allowed on the CF uniform. they are higher than the cadet bravary award though

 

[ouyin2000]

heres a hypothetical question: *IF* say, the ACSM were to have post nominals awarded with it, sinec that medal is not authorised for wear on a CF uniform, Hutch, would you fight to have the person allowed to use their post nominals even if the medal is not allowed to be worn?

 

[Saorse]

Post-nominals just don't belong in the cadet world.

You say that if I just took the rank and put it on my cadet uniform, that I'd be a CF Sergeant. My point still stands that there is still more than enough on my uniform to distinguish me.

If you earn the Order of Canada or the Victoria Cross, you darn well deserve those post nominals. As for a cadet medal of bravery, I still think they only warrant post-nominal letters if you are awarded something above and beyond cadets that actually legally gives them.

I am darn proud of my Legion Medal: I worked my tail off for it. However, to compare that with (even though you are saying that this medal would not warrant post-nominals in your ideas) men who have fought on the beaches of Normandy and peacekeeped in Kosovo, spending 30 years away from family and friends to pursue this lifestyle... cadets don't come within a hair of earning post-nominal letters unless it's a recognized CF/Civillian decoration with that stature already in place: our uniforms and our peers do us justice enough.

 

[aesop081]

no no i am not talking about the Medal of Bravary. i am talking about the cadetaward for bravary. it is the highest cadet medal in the cadet program.

here is a link to some stuff about it.


Cadet Medal Requirements:

http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/1316B_b.pdf

here is one of all the winners. be sure to look att he right medal
http://www.armycadethistory.com/medals_awards_trophies.htm

well i don't know about having a medal you earned in cadets on your CF uniform. there has Been a cadet receive the star of curage and another that got he bravary medal. those i am guessing that they are given out the civilians since really cadets are civilians. they are also allowed on the CF uniform. they are higher than the cadet bravary award though

Maybe, before you think of ADDING letters, you should learn to spell   : .....Grammar lessons would not be a bad idea either

......."militaryish" is not a word........

 

[Jonny Boy]

heres a hypothetical question: *IF* say, the ACSM were to have post nominals awarded with it, sinec that medal is not authorised for wear on a CF uniform, Hutch, would you fight to have the person allowed to use their post nominals even if the medal is not allowed to be worn?

what do you mean? if the person receives the ACSM and gets post nominals and than goes to the CF and still wants the post nominals? if that is what you are asking than i say NO. cadets is cadet CF is the CF. the only two things you can get in cadets that you can wear in the CF is your Jump wings and the D of E. nothing else should be taken with you to the CF

Maybe, before you think of ADDING letters, you should learn to spell   : .....Grammar lessons would not be a bad idea either

......."militaryish" is not a word........

yesssss :-\.  what does this have to do with the topic? my spelling is the way the spell checker left it, and i never said militaryish was a word i was joking around when i put that in. it is the bes thing i could think of at the time.

 

[ouyin2000]

so what your saying is that the post nominals *if* they get approved, are only to be used during the person's cadet service..

then i will say NO to any and all post nominals for cadets. i personally wouldnt want them and then have them taken away as soon as i hit 19 years old

 

[Saorse]

I think the poll the story.

 

[Jonny Boy]

so what your saying is that the post nominals *if* they get approved, are only to be used during the person's cadet service..

then i will say NO to any and all post nominals for cadets. i personally wouldnt want them and then have them taken away as soon as i hit 19 years old

ya that is what i was saying. i doubt that this would ever get passed. it is not something that from what i see people think highly of. i have decided tha that the only cadet medal really "worthy" of post nominals would have to be the cadet award for bravery

I think the poll the story.

what???????

 

[Saorse]

Sorry; Cape Breton accent in me The poll tells the story.

All in all, this has been a pretty productive thread so far, really!

 

[Trinity]

If there is a cadet medal for bravery, elminate.

If they do something that brave, give them the real one.
That solves wearing it on the uniform into the military world.

Other than that.. cadet medals are cadet medals. 

Lets not bash the cadets.  Yes, its amazing how easy it is some times.
But really, them wanting a shiny medal or ribbon is almost the same as
some of us wanting it sometimes.  You can't blame them for wanting
to bolster their acheivements or ... wanting to be cool.


Hutch..  I appreciate your opinion.  I also think your fighting a losing
battle here based, not because of your facts but by sheer numbers of
reg/res vs cadets in this thread... not to mention age and experience
doesn't favour the cadets in arguments like these.

I don't see much by participating in any further discussion except a few
more insults thrown in a few directions.......

[me=Trinity]prays[/me]
'Dear God..  lock this thread.. Amen'

 

[Burrows]

If there is a cadet medal for bravery, elminate.

If they do something that brave, give them the real one.
That solves wearing it on the uniform into the military world.


[me=Trinity]prays[/me]
'Dear God..  lock this thread.. Amen'

Well said padre!


God has heard your prayer and asked me to strike down this thread

[me=Kyle] strikes down the thread [/me]