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Very true, And even if we are shooting 10 round groupings, we can still use 2 magazines.
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Its a control issue. Id say its worth doing an extra reload drill and be safe, than load up a Cadet with full mags, then hit a berm and pray.
How is it handledwithin those fortunate Cadets who have fired the C7, have you been taught all the Stoppage/Reload/Unload drills, or simply unload/reload...or have someone else do it?
How is it handledwithin those fortunate Cadets who have fired the C7, have you been taught all the Stoppage/Reload/Unload drills, or simply unload/reload...or have someone else do it?
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yes it was 2 sessions of about 2 or 3 hours each in practice, and the instructor came around and reviewed/tested each cadet's skills. if they couldnt handle the weapon safely, they were coached in the proper ways, and if they still didnt get it, they would not be allowed on the range
the instructors were also available on the range if anyone had any problems in mid-shoot
the instructors were also available on the range if anyone had any problems in mid-shoot
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The 5 round limitation for cadets is not as a result of the Firearms Act. The Firearms Act and the attendant provisions of Part III Criminal Code do not apply to cadets as they are prescribed to be public officers while undergoing cadet training. If the Firearms Act were to apply to cadets then the only way they could be in possession of the service rifle would be under the direct and immediate supervision of someone who could lawfully possess one. This would necessitate a one to one student to instructor ratio any time a cadet was in possession of a C7. The 5 round limitation is a specification of the conduct of the practice in the CLI CTP, and is a limitation imposed by the CCM.
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rangers said:
I really don't think that they would even let you touch a loaded C7 let alone shoot one. I know people in cadets and they are to immature to handle the daisy rifles. They shot each other in the head! and just to let you know cadets are not the perfect recruit. One of the people in cadets that I know can't even meet the qualifications to get into the army. The reason he wants to join is so he can Quote " Grab an M4 and blow off someones head because I'm good at that in video games." unquote
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Well you're wrong about the being allowed to shoot the C7 part. Army cadets are permitted to shoot it under very strict guidelines. Link to CATO below:
http://www.cadets.ca/support/cato-oaic/intro_e.asp?cato=14-41
Espically appendix 4 which states all conditions which must be satisfied in order to fire the C7/C8 rifle.
For the part about the maturity of some cadets, I agree totally. Some are total idiots when it comes to even daiseys. I had one cadet purposefully shoot a pellet into an electrical outlet on our range.....
http://www.cadets.ca/support/cato-oaic/intro_e.asp?cato=14-41
Espically appendix 4 which states all conditions which must be satisfied in order to fire the C7/C8 rifle.
For the part about the maturity of some cadets, I agree totally. Some are total idiots when it comes to even daiseys. I had one cadet purposefully shoot a pellet into an electrical outlet on our range.....
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condor888000 said:
I view Cadets as a bag of Sh*t and Dimes, some seem like great kids...others, Im really not sure about. I really dont want to paint them all with the same brush mind you, I've lots of friends in the Army who were former Cadets. Some good at their job, some not.
Either way, this C7 issue is an extremely sensitive thing to handle with Cadets solely because of this broad spectrum of maturity level and willingnes/ability to follow instructions down to the detail.
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well im going to bring up a second related discussion in here:
How about letting cadets learn and use the C7 rifles for Drill purposes?
I personally enjoyed learning C7 drill in my CL Course at summer camp im '00. i feel it is much easier than Lee Enfield drill.
How about letting cadets learn and use the C7 rifles for Drill purposes?
I personally enjoyed learning C7 drill in my CL Course at summer camp im '00. i feel it is much easier than Lee Enfield drill.
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ouyin2000 said:
Would it really be worth it to devote weapons better spent elsewhere to Cadets for no real beneficial purpose...
I'm pretty sure that Units who find their Arsenal a little empty would be able to implement them for their designed purpose a little bit better than a Cadet would...
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im talking specifically about summer camps, since they already have C7s allocated for training purposes
at the corps level, there could be an agreement between the cadet unit and a local reg force/reserve unit. have the CF members come in on a weekend or something and teach the cadets some basic drill movements
the problem i could forsee with this, is that the cadets would be learning C7 drillm but probalby wouldnt be able to use it for drill competitions. they'd be restricted to Enfield Drill, and therefor would have to learn 2 different types of movements.
at the corps level, there could be an agreement between the cadet unit and a local reg force/reserve unit. have the CF members come in on a weekend or something and teach the cadets some basic drill movements
the problem i could forsee with this, is that the cadets would be learning C7 drillm but probalby wouldnt be able to use it for drill competitions. they'd be restricted to Enfield Drill, and therefor would have to learn 2 different types of movements.
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condor888000 said:
That is the reason and responsability of the range staff. I spent 6 years in cadets before I joined the Reg force and we fired Cadet no.7 (enfield .22 conversions), anchustz .22's, Parker Hale .308's and FN 7.62's ( I now own 2 of my own). In those 6 years I never saw a problem on our ranges. We used to host a large shooting competition in Powell River BC and it had tons of cadets shooting and still no problems. The reason, IMHO, was training and supervision.Just my 2 cents
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A lot of our cadets are so immature, and they misuse the daisy, I mean, I can't imagine having all them using C7's. I shudder at the thought. There would be many lives in serious danger. We have those few mature cadets, and it's so refreshing not having to yell at them all the time for horsing around or somehting. But the immature cadets outnumber them 10:1.
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This may have been covered as I admit, I havn't read this entire thread.
I have done Cadet C7/C8 famils before and will be doing one again this weekend.
From what I understand...16 and up and / or silver star can fire the C7/C8, repetition only, and not at "man" targets. 5 rounds per mag max. Reserve pers. will run the range as well as perform all stoppage drills.
Basicly, all the Cadets get to do is pull the trigger.
I have done Cadet C7/C8 famils before and will be doing one again this weekend.
From what I understand...16 and up and / or silver star can fire the C7/C8, repetition only, and not at "man" targets. 5 rounds per mag max. Reserve pers. will run the range as well as perform all stoppage drills.
Basicly, all the Cadets get to do is pull the trigger.
In response to your statement, I also agree that I have never seen a cadet break a Lee Enfield mind you that one of our rifles FELL apart while at slope arms. But I (and various others on our drill team) believe that doing drill with newer looking C7s rather than our old faded and chipped Enfields would look better. This could also be used as a cool recruiting tool. It may also put the "army" back into army cadets.
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