C7 rifles within cadets

[Q.Y. Ranger]

first of all, if you go to a shooting camp, they let you shoot as much with the c7 as the feel necessary, and yes, i do think that we should be able to have c7 instead of Daisy rifles. we are being trained and molded into the perfect recruit, so why not lets us get a better taste of whats to come?

Cpl.Clarita
2799 Queens York Rangers

Hey Cpl. Clarita, in "shooting camp", which i believe you're talking about CLI marksman in connaught, I'm pretty sure all you get to shoot is the C12, not the C7, and in Bravo CLI in Blackdown, you shoot only 30 rounds with the C7. Alpha only gets 20.

 

[ouyin2000]

we are being trained and molded into the perfect recruit, so why not lets us get a better taste of whats to come?

the Cadet program is NOT a way for the CF to train child soldiers

remember the 3 aims of the CCM:

To develop in youth the attributes of good citizenship and leadership;
promote physical fitness; and
stimulate the interest of youth in the sea, land, and air activites of the Canadian Forces.

all that means is that the CCM is trying to teach you to become a better community participator, and leader, make you physically fit, and educate you in the ways of the Canadian Forces.

being able to have a familiarization shoot on the C7 is all you need at a typical cadet level. The Daisy 853C Air rifle is enough to have you practice your shooting skills at the corps level. If you are a good enough shot then go take the shooting courses

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

first of all, if you go to a shooting camp, they let you shoot as much with the c7 as the feel necessary, and yes, i do think that we should be able to have c7 instead of Daisy rifles. we are being trained and molded into the perfect recruit, so why not lets us get a better taste of whats to come?

Cpl.clarida
2799 Queens York Rangers

Funny, because when Im at the Armouries when you guys are parading, Im seeing a bunch of small children. I have seen a few that I, in all honesty feel that they have the maturity level to handle the C7. But, if I were the RSO given the option to select the cadets I wanted to allow fire on my Range, it wouldnt be more than 3 or 4 out of the entire Unit. You arent the perfect recruits...trust me.

 

[chrisf]

I always used to say, we should never let eastern Canadian politics dictate western Canadian lifestyles. What a waste of over 1,000,000,000 dollars!

Western politics? Eastern politics? I'm guessing you'll find substantially more support for a banning of firearms in say, B.C. then you would in say, Newfoundland. Dividing the country into east and west is a bit short sighted...

 

[1feral1]

Western politics? Eastern politics? I'm guessing you'll find substantially more support for a banning of firearms in say, B.C. then you would in say, Newfoundland. Dividing the country into east and west is a bit short sighted...

Sorry pal, there is a cultural difference between metro Toronto and the prairies. What I have said is true, many western Canadains have always had a bad taste in their mouths wheh it comes to eastern Canada. Many feel short changed. This ranges from gun control to the Crow rate.

 

[chrisf]

Wouldn't argue in the slightest the difference between the politics of Toronto and the prairies and Toronto, but still, you'll find it's not an "east vs west" thing, it's a bit more complicated then that.

 

[407QOCH]

first of all, if you go to a shooting camp, they let you shoot as much with the c7 as the feel necessary, and yes, i do think that we should be able to have c7 instead of Daisy rifles. we are being trained and molded into the perfect recruit, so why not lets us get a better taste of whats to come?

Cpl.clarida
2799 Queens York Rangers

When i was in CL marksman, they said that they would let us shoot the C7s, if we wernt shooting in competition because the practice with the c7s might mess up our shooting with the c11s/c12s

 

[condor888000]

And what precisely does piper's post have to do with that?  ???

 

[407QOCH]

oopps, good question, i guess i dint read the small wrighting, i meant to grab rangers post.

 

[condor888000]

Ok that makes more sense.........

 

[Burrows]

Which is why theres an edit button

 

[mz589]

Wouldn't argue in the slightest the difference between the politics of Toronto and the prairies and Toronto, but still, you'll find it's not an "east vs west" thing, it's a bit more complicated then that.

No doubt about that, go to eastern or southwestern Ontario and see how popular the gun registry is out there. I think the true divide isn't east and west but really urban vs rural. I'll bet the registry has quite a bit of support in Calgary and Vancouver in addition to Toronto.

 

[goodform]

mz589,
I'll agree with that to a point. I think there is more of a "gun culture"on the prairies and the east coast (more space, means you can shoot for more freely, also a source of food! I'm from the prairies, and hunt). I now live in Vancouver in Kitsilano, big change, and I'm sure you'd find more support for anti-gun laws, and it would be fairly easy to swing those uneducated about firearms in that direction as, in simple terms, no guns means no one gets hurt with guns. Even though crimes committed with firearms is at the low end of occurence in violent crime. Urban populations aren't usually exposed to firearms that much.

Just a Sig Op
Wesley Allen is in fact from a town 15 minutes from mine, and I can't speak for him, but "East vs. West" is a term we use that describes "Prairies (and those who side with us) vs. Ontario (and those who side with them)", and not to divide the whole of the country. I'm still getting used to the lingo of Vancouver and am glad Wesley still remembers his roots . ;D

What was the original topic again?  

 

[chrisf]

Just a Sig Op
Wesley Allen is in fact from a town 15 minutes from mine, and I can't speak for him, but "East vs. West" is a term we use that describes "Prairies (and those who side with us) vs. Ontario (and those who side with them)", and not to divide the whole of the country. I'm still getting used to the lingo of Vancouver and am glad Wesley still remembers his roots . ;D

I raised the point as an easterner, largely to remind everyone that the country doesn't end at Ontario, or even Quebec for that matter.

 

[Ranger]

I loved shooting the C7...it was an awesome opportunity.
I agree with Slim though, a lot of our cadets...like the majority are so ridiculously immature it's disgusting.
I'd like to meet you sometime ShOrTbUs...you seem pretty cool.

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

I just had this awful vision of the rifle on auto with a 30 round mag in it and a cadet behind the trigger
*fire fire fire*rifle moves up, to the right annnnd over*Che is somehow shot despite being in the safety of his office*

  ;D Ah that made my night. Poor Che, just minding his business...

As to the reasons M16's have only burst and Semi-Automatic fire, it is a proven fact that when firing on Automatic at ranges no more than 25m, only the initial 2 rounds engage the intended location on the target. The rest tend to have a less exagerrated "Che effect"  Mostly, Automatic is used for CQB when u dont have the time to eye the sight, or when simply trying to supress at close ranges. Anything over 50m is best left to Semi-Automatic.

Cadets firing on Automatic? Please... thats not marksmanship training.

 

[condor888000]

Cadets firing on Automatic? Please... thats not marksmanship training.

......or safe......

 

[Jonny Boy]

......or safe......

or smart. they would never be able to control it

 

[Duke]

Speaking from experience, Hutch? 

Firing auto is expressly forbidden for cadets.

A lot, maybe most Army Cadets are curious about the 3rd position for the selector, but generally accept the explanation that if/when they join the PRes or Regs, they will receive the training and trigger time to safely and effectively use the full functionality of the C7.

In the two summers I have done RSO duty there weren't any problems with cadets 'experimenting' with the selector switch!

Duke

 

[Sgt.Fitzpatrick]

Some people are shocked that we have to shoot 5 rds but think about. Were're shooting 5 rds at a time because for a 5 round grouping, that make sense. :threat: :bullet: :bullet: :bullet: :bullet: :bullet: