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CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

HFXCrow said:
I have my opinion and its that JTF2 shoud be only entitled to SOA.

sorry forum....

No need to apologize, your opinion conforms perfectly to CBI 205.401 -- JTF 2 SOA-qualified assaulters are the only personnel entitled to SOA special allowance.
 
Good2Golf said:
No need to apologize, your opinion conforms perfectly to CBI 205.401 -- JTF 2 SOA-qualified assaulters are the only personnel entitled to SOA special allowance.


And CSOR Operators will qualify for their own allowance as deemed appropritae by the TB using the criteria and levels of the SOA but not being SOA.
 
BulletMagnet said:
And CSOR Operators will qualify for their own allowance as deemed appropritae by the TB using the the criteria and levels of the SOA but not being SOA.

Absolutely, BM.  Then we're all in agreement.

Regards
G2G
 
Absolutely G2G...

For myself though I would like to see a consise argument supporting HFX reasoning as to why Operators do not deserve an allowance. As it stands right now to my knowledge an operator could work less hours be away from their family significantly less and make the same pay being in a normal hard para posn in a regular Bn ( As per HFX's reasoning of FOA, Para pay).
 
The validity of the current jump allowance needs to be revisited; given the few jumps that are made, are the people maintaining those skills?

The risk in requesting new allowances or funds is that someone will revisit the old ones - and discover that the rationale no longer exists.
 
dapaterson said:
The validity of the current jump allowance needs to be revisited; given the few jumps that are made, are the people maintaining those skills?

The risk in requesting new allowances or funds is that someone will revisit the old ones - and discover that the rationale no longer exists.

A case of "beware what you wish for " ?
 
Deepends on what unit DA

Regular Jump Coy's probably aren't jumping that much but they do refresh enough that they could jump easily. Our SOF units soon wont be in recipe of Jump pay as their allowance will forfit the Para pay.
 
Bit out of my lane but I think QOR does a few jumps a year as they maintain the only Reserve Para Coy. So do they get para only when jumping or all the time?
 
You are right NFLD they do, last I worked with members of the QOR they were Jumping failry regularly and do many support task to CFLAWC
 
Rumor mill has it that they do more jumps than the Reg Force.........

So back to my question are they in receipt of the Para allowance all the time or just during the time they are jumping.
 
No they receive Cas Para pay unless they are on a class B contract
 
By regulation, QoR (or any Reservist doing casual para) should receive the cas para allowance when jumping whether on A, B or C service.

This does go to the fundamental question: What do we want who do, and where, when and how often do we want them to do it?  Those questions should inform what we pay them - what's base pay, and what's incremental in the form of allowances.

 
Whats next for SOA for HUMINT, CP Op etc?

I sure hope so! I am CP Operator after all.

I'm LFC2IS qualified and ready to do radiochecks every hour on the hour on a moment's notice! Now where's my logbook? ;D
 
HFX have you a proper argument that has not been invalidated by the CBI's (IE: FOA and para pay) as to why CSOR Operators should not be in receipt of an Allowance?
 
We have one elite unit the JTF.

The Airborne did not get an additional allowance.  My Dad didn't get extra pay when the truck came through the PMQ's broadcasting "SNOWBALL x3" in Germany. He was into work within the hour and no beeper.

If my ship gets recalled to do a drug bust or SAR we are gone within 3-6 hours.

I think of CSOR as a another unit with a mandate.

For the record by next year all these specialized units and people in specialized secondary roles will be asking CBI for additional allowances.
 
Keep in mind these guys went through the rigors of selection, completed SOBQ and are qualified Special Operators. This is a SOF unit.

There is a reason the pass rate on selection is low.. Not everyone is capable of the requirements of the job.

Sure they may not be the elite counter terrorism unit such as JTF2 or 1 SFOD-D, DEVGRU.. If you want to use American Terms these guys are Tier 1

So they would fall in just below them then.. On a Tier 2 level such as Navy Seals, Green Beret's , CSOR. They have their own roll.

There is alot of money invested in training these Operators.. They deserve their own allowance.. Not SOA allowance but something tailored directly to them.


My 2 cents.
 
HFX so you are going to be advocating the big fight to get rid of sea pay then?
 
I was granted my QL5 on the Aurora fleet after completing my type training about 10 months after landing in Greenwood. Of course AVS and other Fleets may vary.
 
In case some of you were wondering, VOT offers are now being sent out. I received mine DTG 261844ZFEB09.

I am transferring from NCIOP to INT and cannot seem to find the reference regarding spec pay. From what I understand, I will loose my leaf effective my transfer date but keep my current pay. Does this also include spec pay? My gut tells me I will loose it but cannot seem to find it in black and white.

Cheers and good luck to all patiently waiting for an VOT offer.

B RAD
 
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