Can anything be done to this man still pretending to be a Paratrooper?

[zipperhead_cop]

anyway no hard feelings and I really do appreciate you sticking up for me,
cheers
Kathy  :-*

No trouble  We unfortunately get a heap of tinfoil helmet types here and it sometimes gets a bit aggravating to keep up with them.  The mods do a good job of weeding them out and keeping the site professional looking.  Sometimes the net gets cast a bit too wide.  Most certainly we have an interest in keeping this clown on the radar.  If you have a good, recent photo of him that is less than 400 kb you should post it as well. 
What city is he operating out of right now? 

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Further to my last, since this clown isn't real military and it is somewhat limited as to what the MP's can do, pehaps move it to the main Emergency Services board to hit a broader cross section of LEO'S? 

 

[kitkatgotmytongue]

Okay here are some pics of this creep, all are taken in 2009.  I hope they post:  He has since grown a beard and changed his hair to a cesaer style (think Russell Crowe in Gladiator style)  It has been dyed really dark brown to cover his greys.

I have known his family for 30 some odd years and I also know that most of them have disowned him because of his repeated offences.  They want him caught and put away, most of them have been victims, along with friends of the family and the hundreds of strangers.

This is taken from a forum board called hawkshaw that he posted on his prfile: Jan 03, 2004
About My Personal Life
Paratrooper in the Canadian Army. 3 P.P.C.L.I.(Edmonton).

Also for the member that complained I was not using my real name, it is pretty easy to find on my email address on my profile as I know it has been viewed.

Also I don't know how to move this post to the other forum, but if the moderators feel it should be moved, please feel free to do that.

Thanks again to all  :-*

 

[SeanNewman]

Wow, you really seem to have a vendetta (sp?) out on this guy, is he your nemesis or something?

I agree that if what you are stating is actually happening, then yes it is shameful on his part, but I can name about 20 friends who have tried some sort of ploy at a bar to pick up.

It can be anything from a firefighter, to university hockey player, to ski slope rescue ranger...sometimes people just make stuff up. 

On a similar note, there was a guy in the US who made up a story like this (it happens quite often), but he went overboard and wore full dress uniform everywhere, including a Navy Cross (!) which is the second highest US award you can get.  He was eventually busted, too, but I think he was even doing somthing along the lines of getting free stuff for veterans and speaking at functions.

Anyway, I guess it's nice to have a profession that people think highly enough to lie about belonging to.

 

[mariomike]

pehaps move it to the main Emergency Services board to hit a broader cross section of LEO'S?

If there is a News Release to the public from a police service regarding the subject, it could also be posted.

 

[kitkatgotmytongue]

If there is a News Release to the public from a police service regarding the subject, it could also be posted.

I have just got the what the police said on the news report posted earlier..

Also in answer to the statement of a lot of people bragging in bars and such to build them selves up, that alone is not wrong, but when you build this false persona to take advantage of Seniors and Widows with children, and clean their bank account out of thousands of dollars, that is where I have a vendetta.

don't think for one minute that you could not be scammed by this conman, he is that convincing.  There are some very smart andeducated people on his victims list.  It is not only me that is searching for this creep

My hope is that he shows up in his Airborne T-shirt and throws his Airborne coin about at a bar and one of you takes him to the back alley and has a serious fist talk with him :nod:

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Wow, you really seem to have a vendetta (sp?) out on this guy, is he your nemesis or something?

Does one need a nemesis in order to do the right thing?  She is trying to help people.  That is its own good reason.  Do YOU need a nemesis to do the right thing?  Or is turning a blind eye to dishonesty and thievery okay as long as you aren't personally affected? 

I agree that if what you are stating is actually happening, then yes it is shameful on his part, but I can name about 20 friends who have tried some sort of ploy at a bar to pick up.

Grab a clue, donkey.  This isn't some clown just trying to pick up at a bar.  These grifters make a living off of other peoples misery and good natures.  They have been duped because they cared about someone and believed in the false goodness that they were being tricked into believing.  Awareness and communication are the best weapons to fight them and ensure they can't hurt anyone else. 

Kitkat, feel free to PM me with any other details (the little word balloon icon to the bottom right of our avatars [the pictures that come with our names]) if the static and BS is annoying you. 

 

[kitkatgotmytongue]

Thank Zipperhead
your support is very much appreciated  ;D, I run into brick walls all the time when trying to get the word out on this dirt bag.
And putting this thread in this section is a pretty good idea since his latest MO is claiming to be an Army Paramedic, going back and forth to Haiti helping with the recovery and devastation.  All BS, of course someone fell for it,  It scares me how much he does know about the armed services, everyone who has been dupped by this guy notes that same thing.
It is kinda easy to confuse and pull the wool over Senior Citizens, but he manages to convince well educated adults.
Listen if that Col Russell Williams managed to fool the heads of our Armed Forces, it isn't so hard to imagine this creep Ross fooling regular people.
Also want to thank all of those on this forum that showed support for me and my duty to keep the public informed.

Thanks :-*

 

[1feral1]

For Kit Kat - Thats much better, with pics and all, and summing up, thats what we needed in the first place was info like this, what is now posted. I watched the CTV segment and I now know about this weak person.

Information through a unbiased median beats an emotional axe grinding on a first post.

You can catch more flies with honey that you can with $hit.

Lets hope sooner than later he is sniffed out and faces some kind of justice, but afterall this in Canada, and we no longer have a justice system, but a legal system where the victims have no rights, and the crims have it too soft.

Regards from the tropics,

OWDU

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Time perhaps to finally answer the original question for everyone's enlightenment.

Section 130 of the Criminal Code: Personating peace officer: Every one who: (a) falsely represents himself to be a peace officer or a public officer, or (b) not being a peace officer or public officer, uses a badge or article of uniform or equipment in a manner that is likely to cause persons to believe that he is a peace officer or a public officer, as the case maybe, is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Section 2 of the Code defines "public officer" to include (b) an officer of the Canadian Forces. "officer" in this case being taken in the same sense as in the N.D.A. and Q.R. & O's, so it basically includes all members in uniform.

So reporting this sort of things to the regular police, or when applicable, to the Provost Marshall, is the thing to do if you wish to preserve the good reputation of the service.  Unfortunately, the fact that it is a summary offence means that such person is unlikely to do any time. Definitely no federal pen, maybe at worst a few week-ends at the local common jail.

 

[mariomike]

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/84035.0

 

[Journeyman]

Wow, you really seem to have a vendetta (sp?) out on this guy, is he your nemesis or something?

I agree that if what you are stating is actually happening, then yes it is shameful on his part, but I can name about 20 friends who have tried some sort of ploy at a bar to pick up

You didn't even pretend to check the links, did you?

This guy is involved in theft (taking peoples' possessions -- not what you're doing to our oxygen) and defrauding people of their money. He's not trying to get laid in Oromocto.
 
:brickwall:

 

[kitkatgotmytongue]

Awh, thanks guys for sticking up for me, you guys rock, and they say that chivalry is dead.  It is not and I have proof. :nod: ;D :-* :-* :-*cheers

 

[SeanNewman]

That's great that you guys are being chivalrous and what not by calling me names to look like a hero, but I still insist that people are responsible for who they trust.

Gender does not play a part in my statement, and my response would be no different if it were a guy wearing an Airbonre T shirt lying to a woman than it would if it were a woman were selling a man swamp land in Florida.

As for the letter of the law, I'm not so sure that wearing an Airborne T shirt you can buy on Ebay or joedrouin.com is the same as falsifying yourself as a police officer.  You're really clutching at straws in order to shoehorn a regulation into your own definition on that one. 

I am not trying to condone the guy's actions, and I am not saying that some people don't deserve a punch in the face.

 

[Journeyman]

Gender does not play a part in my statement....

Nor mine.

 

[SeanNewman]

Well, to get back to the core of what I believe KitKat's question is, I do not believe that wearing an Airborne T shirt, having a coin, and lying about a personal story for personal gain is not what that law/regulation covers.

If someone says they are a police officer, that is with a very specific aim because to be a police officer carries with it a certain legal aura that can cause people to conduct acts they normally would not.  Most (if not all) people who faced with a person dressed as a police officer would do whatever they asked (as long as it was reasonable). 

Ex, if someone in a police uniform wtih a badge sees me in a parking lot and says "I'm going to need you to get out of the car, please", most people are going to do it.  Then if the fake officer drives away with my car, I can realistically say that I trusted that "officer" as a legal authority, and a rational person would do what an officer asks because they have our trust.

I believe that is what the "spirit" of that rule is.  The reason I don't think it applies here is that a paratrooper has no special status or authority (as much as they may be super cool).  Even in full uniform with medals, the uniform may convey a sense of pride and civilians may respect it, a citizen  wouldn't be expected to change their behaviour because of it (as they would with the police example).

I hate to use the term "buyer beware", but yes at the crux of it, that's what it is.  Nobody likes to see anyone taken advantage of with trust involved, but that's what criminal code laws exist for.  If the civilian police and MPs are informed, then that's all that can be done. 

I am not accusing that KitKat posted these things here in the hopes that vigilante justice is going to happen and someone is going to beat this guy up "so he gets what's comin' to him", but I'm not sure what else can happen here on this forum.  If your intent was to inform us that it was happening and report the guy if we see him (in order to prevent it from happening to others), then I think your goal will be met.  If he is in fact wanted for breaking the law, then yes what you have done will help because now if we see this guy at a bar we can ensure the authorities can arrest him.

 

[mariomike]

Most (if not all) people who faced with a person dressed as a police officer would do whatever they asked (as long as it was reasonable). 

Likewise, if someone were to identify themselves as a doctor at the scene of an emergency. I've met a lot of them. ( Especially on golf courses, for some reason. hahaha ) It's always a safe bet to check their ID before taking any work direction from them.
If it's just someone claiming to be a doctor in a bar and telling stories, that's another thing. Unless they offer you medical advice or an examination.

 

[gcclarke]

If it's just someone claiming to be a doctor in a bar and telling stories, that's another thing. Unless they offer you medical advice or an examination.

... You mean I shouldn't have let that "Doctor" give me a prostate exam at that night club?

 

[Brasidas]

I believe that is what the "spirit" of that rule is.  The reason I don't think it applies here is that a paratrooper has no special status or authority (as much as they may be super cool).  Even in full uniform with medals, the uniform may convey a sense of pride and civilians may respect it, a citizen  wouldn't be expected to change their behaviour because of it (as they would with the police example).

Agreed. An analogy that comes to mind is a conman pretending to be an ex-forest firefighter, telling stories to put his mark at ease and inspire a belief that he's a "good guy". There's zero authority in the guy, and while it's in the aid of a confidence game, it's not an attempt to claim a false position of authority.

More of a way of a detail of how a crime's orchestrated than a crime in itself. Information for the cops, but I don't see a call for active military involvement.

 

[Remius]

Back during the Ice Storm, there were two guys going around in fatigues that looked military claiming the military was commandeering people's generators.  Apparently they had conned three people before getting caught.

Somewhat different than the guy at a strip club hoping to get lucky because his job as assistant manager at GT isn't too glorious sounding.

I do sometimes pretend to be midget breeder but it normally has the  opposite effect  ;D