CAN Enhanced (Permanent?) Fwd Presence in Latvia

[Colin Parkinson]

Might as well use the C3s as AT guns then

We used to do AT drills and got to fire them on a moving target, with so so success.

 

[FJAG]

We used to do AT drills and got to fire them on a moving target, with so so success.

We'd fire anti tank maybe every two years or so when ammo was plentiful. The L5 was especially fun for that because one could easily and quickly change the wheels positions to drop the gun almost flat on the ground

from this to this:

One had to keep a sharp eye out on the crest clearance near the gun position as the tube was only a little more than two feet above the ground. With the shield off, the gun could disappear in a small fold in the ground or heavy grass.

 

[Cloud Cover]

We'd fire anti tank maybe every two years or so when ammo was plentiful. The L5 was especially fun for that because one could easily and quickly change the wheels positions to drop the gun almost flat on the ground

from this to this:

One had to keep a sharp eye out on the crest clearance near the gun position as the tube was only a little more than two feet above the ground. With the shield off, the gun could disappear in a small fold in the ground or heavy grass.

This seems like it could be useful. I take it this no longer exists.

 

[PrairieFella]

This seems like it could be useful. I take it this no longer exists.

Was useful. Anti-tank guns have been out of service for over a half century for a reason.

 

[FJAG]

This seems like it could be useful. I take it this no longer exists.

The L5 was in service with the regular force artillery regiments in Canada from 1969 to 1994. (The M109 tracked self-propelled howitzer at the time served with the Canadians in Germany). Originally we had six six-gun batteries equipped with them (2 RCHA x 1 bty, 3 RCHA x 2 bties, 5 RALC x 2 bties, Airborne Regt x 1 bty) plus more at the school of artillery. Starting in 1978/9 Canada-based artillery regiments started turning in their L5s for M109s. Eventually only the Airborne battery/E Bty (Para) 2 RCHA operated the L5s.

The L5 had the advantage of being very light and quite capable of being para dropped and heliborne slung loaded under Huey utility helicopters. It's major disadvantage was its range which topped out at 10,500 metres. with standard projectiles at the time.

I believe that there are still a few of them around. I saw a recent picture of several in storage at Petawawa and know that some of them were taken to Normandy for a salute for the D-Day 75th celebrations.

 

[markppcli]

Was useful. Anti-tank guns have been out of service for over a half century for a reason.

Russians still employ the MT-12.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Was useful. Anti-tank guns have been out of service for over a half century for a reason.

The M101 which is the base for the C1/C2/C3 was last used as a AT gun in Korea. They had success against T34/85 till they ran out of HEAT. HE shell were unable to stop the tanks.

 

[PrairieFella]

Russians still employ the MT-12.

To what kind of effects? They also are fielding T55s, doesnt mean they're effective in a modern war.

 

[daftandbarmy]

To what kind of effects? They also are fielding T55s, doesnt mean they're effective in a modern war.

Based on what we're seeing in Ukraine these days it could be argued that a 'modern war' includes 1908 Maxim guns....

 

[PrairieFella]

Based on what we're seeing in Ukraine these days it could be argued that a 'modern war' includes 1908 Maxim guns....

War is Hell haha.

 

[markppcli]

To what kind of effects? They also are fielding T55s, doesnt mean they're effective in a modern war.

Uh wildly different uses cases. The MT-12 has been consistently upgraded and kept in their anti tank Bns, the T55 is a war stock emergency. In any event saying “no one’s used an anti tank gun for over half a century” is factually incorrect when our largest threat has in fact consistently been employing them.

 

[MilEME09]

To what kind of effects? They also are fielding T55s, doesnt mean they're effective in a modern war.

Ukrainians mounting them to MT-LB's and BMP's were using them to great effect to take out russian armour.