CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[AmmoTech90]

A good chunk of Medicine Hat is already glassed over and the concept is spreading. It has also spread to the Lower Mainland market gardens.

Those are actually green houses in Redcliff, just outside Medicine Hat. There are more in Medicine Hat and just outside along Highway 3 (Big Marble Farms if you ever see that on packaging). In Redcliff there is also a coop business, Redhat, that packages local veggies for around the country. The greenhouses close down from Dec to Feb/March to change out growing medium and reduce cost as you still have to heat the place. A few of the green houses have links to Mexico and import cukes and tomatoes to package in Redhat.
The nice thing is that some of the green houses have sell rooms where you can pick up a large bag of veggies for cheap. Especially peppers.

 

[JLB50]

I’m finding all of this to be quite exciting news. Even if the greenhouses can’t provide year-round produce, it would be a huge benefit for Canada, both economically and in quality of life. I even read somewhere that greenhouses are being considered for the Far North for at least part of the year.

 

[Kirkhill]

Those are actually green houses in Redcliff, just outside Medicine Hat. There are more in Medicine Hat and just outside along Highway 3 (Big Marble Farms if you ever see that on packaging). In Redcliff there is also a coop business, Redhat, that packages local veggies for around the country. The greenhouses close down from Dec to Feb/March to change out growing medium and reduce cost as you still have to heat the place. A few of the green houses have links to Mexico and import cukes and tomatoes to package in Redhat.
The nice thing is that some of the green houses have sell rooms where you can pick up a large bag of veggies for cheap. Especially peppers.

You are right. It was actually the ones on Hwy 3 I was looking for. Google Earth skills not what they might be.

 

[Kirkhill]

Those are actually green houses in Redcliff, just outside Medicine Hat. There are more in Medicine Hat and just outside along Highway 3 (Big Marble Farms if you ever see that on packaging). In Redcliff there is also a coop business, Redhat, that packages local veggies for around the country. The greenhouses close down from Dec to Feb/March to change out growing medium and reduce cost as you still have to heat the place. A few of the green houses have links to Mexico and import cukes and tomatoes to package in Redhat.
The nice thing is that some of the green houses have sell rooms where you can pick up a large bag of veggies for cheap. Especially peppers.

Correction time for me - Redcliff, the one I showed previously at 11 O'Clock on the Trans Canada and Big Marble at 6 O'Clock under the SW approach to the airport. And if you look around the area you will find a few other smaller ones. Each circle represents a quarter section of 160 acres, for scale.

Thanks @AmmoTech90

 

[dapaterson]

I’m finding all of this to be quite exciting news. Even if the greenhouses can’t provide year-round produce, it would be a huge benefit for Canada, both economically and in quality of life. I even read somewhere that greenhouses are being considered for the Far North for at least part of the year.

Cheap reliable power is needed. If only Canada had uranium deposits to fuel small reactors.

 

[ModlrMike]

Cheap reliable power is needed. If only Canada had uranium deposits to fuel small reactors.

Yes, and if they use CANDU technology, we don't even need to enrich the uranium, plus we can do in-place refuelling.

 

[PrairieFella]

Cheap reliable power is needed. If only Canada had uranium deposits to fuel small reactors.

If only there was a consortium of Canadian provinces working on exactly that.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

We've been big in the crops under cover game for 100 years here. The biggest greenhouse operation in North America. We do three crops a year. Tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, etc. We can strip out a greenhouse and be replanted in a week. We have an insect industry that grows bees, ladybugs and other predatory insects, specifically for green houses. We use produced CO2 by the ton. And electricity, lots and lots of electricity. One thing you get with a concentration of greenhouses is light pollution. Our greenhouses light up the sky and it can be seen 60km away.

We've made progress on the energy front. Some of the operations are turning their organic waste into methane that heats the greenhouses Some operations use no natural gas at all. Completely self sufficient, including their homes on the property.

Why Canada Has the Largest Greenhouse Hub in North America—And Why the US Doesn’t

Discover why Leamington, Ontario, dominates North America's greenhouse industry, exploring currency arbitrage, labor costs, energy, and logistics.

www.agritecture.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

We've been big in the crops under cover game for 100 years here. The biggest greenhouse operation in North America. We do three crops a year. Tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, zucchini, etc. We can strip out a greenhouse and be replanted in a week. We have an insect industry that grows bees, ladybugs and other predatory insects, specifically for green houses. We use produced CO2 by the ton. And electricity, lots and lots of electricity. One thing you get with a concentration of greenhouses is light pollution. Our greenhouses light up the sky and it can be seen 60km away.

We've made progress on the energy front. Some of the operations are turning their organic waste into methane that heats the greenhouses Some operations use no natural gas at all. Completely self sufficient, including their homes on the property.

Why Canada Has the Largest Greenhouse Hub in North America—And Why the US Doesn’t

Discover why Leamington, Ontario, dominates North America's greenhouse industry, exploring currency arbitrage, labor costs, energy, and logistics.

www.agritecture.com

I noticed those lights on my way to Windsor Thursday evening on the 401 just as I was passing Hwy 77 off to my left.

 

[PrairieFella]

Going into Princess Auto is, for me, almost like being a kid in a candy shop.

You should see the plans for the new Super Princess Auto across the street from their headquarters in Winnipeg. Like triple the size of a normal PA haha.

 

[lenaitch]

I’m finding all of this to be quite exciting news. Even if the greenhouses can’t provide year-round produce, it would be a huge benefit for Canada, both economically and in quality of life. I even read somewhere that greenhouses are being considered for the Far North for at least part of the year.

I saw something about that, I can remember which northern community. Energy costs and available daylight (or even more energy to mimic it) are hurdles.

 

[HavokFour]

Eby has decided to include all US alcohol now, not just the products from red states.

B.C. removes all U.S. liquor from store shelves: Trump can ‘keep his watery beer’ | Globalnews.ca

B.C. Premier David Eby says all U.S. liquor products will be removed from B.C. liquor stores. Previously, it was only liquor from red states.

globalnews.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

This is the Sheerness Generating Station in Alberta. It demonstrates the problem that Canadian power plants have. It is in the middle of no place. It has no district to heat, unlike the Swedish and European plants that are built down town. As a result the Swedes and Europeans get to turn their Power Plants into Combined Heat and Power Plants and drive the thermal efficiency up from 30% to 90%. Sheerness was converted from coal to natural gas. You can actually see the coal mine in the background. You can also see the cooling pond in the foreground.

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Combustion yields water and CO2. Plants grow from water and CO2.

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I keep wondering how much of the district that stack could heat, and how many tomatoes it could produce, if the district were glassed over. Or what it would take to use the flue gas and water to grow duckweed for animal feed.

Carbon Capture.

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SHEERNESS MINE

The Sheerness Mine, with 7,000 hectares now under reclamation, traditionally supplied up to 3.4 million tonnes annually of production to the two-unit 780-MW Sheerness Generating Station over 32 years.

westmoreland.com

 

[Navy_Pete]

Random anecdote, so YMMV, but just did a quick grocery run and universally anything labeled as from the USA was not even touched, and a lot of things (like oranges) which are normally from the USA were sourced elsewhere. Two different Starbucks I went by were also dead, which is unusual for those locations.

All small incremental things, but I think there will be impacts on sales of anything from the US in Canada at the consumer level for the next while, and for things where they change suppliers, that's usually a hard one to switch back to afterwards.

FAFO at the micro level I guess.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Speaking of dairy

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/07/business/tariffs-trump-canada/index.html

Good follow on piece from CNN. Since Trump negotiated and signed "the greatest deal ever" aka USMCA that included a volume of sales based threshold for applying the agreed to tariff of 200% on US Dairy, US dairy producers have never sold the amount necessary to trigger the tariff.

So, bottom line, exactly zero tariffs on US Dairy have been applied, collected, or paid in the last decade.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/trump-canada-dairy-tariffs-fact-check/index.html

 

[JLB50]

So far Canadians are stepping up and showing their patriotism like never before. My wife just came back from our neighborhood Loblaws store a few moments ago and she told me that products labelled as Canadian are flying off the shelves with many sections totally sold out. Hopefully, once the Trump problem is over and done with (if ever), Canadians will still show a preference for Canadian products.

I did, however, watch the Liberal convention and noticed that during the singing of our national anthem, very few were actually singing along, with quite looking more like they were just muttering something.

 

[dapaterson]

Good follow on piece from CNN. Since Trump negotiated and signed "the greatest deal ever" aka USMCA that included a volume of sales based threshold for applying the agreed to tariff of 200% on US Dairy, US dairy producers have never sold the amount necessary to trigger the tariff.

So, bottom line, exactly zero tariffs on US Dairy have been applied, collected, or paid in the last decade.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/trump-canada-dairy-tariffs-fact-check/index.html

In the immortal words to Team America: World Police, America fuck yeah!

 

[JLB50]

Good follow on piece from CNN. Since Trump negotiated and signed "the greatest deal ever" aka USMCA that included a volume of sales based threshold for applying the agreed to tariff of 200% on US Dairy, US dairy producers have never sold the amount necessary to trigger the tariff.

So, bottom line, exactly zero tariffs on US Dairy have been applied, collected, or paid in the last decade.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/trump-canada-dairy-tariffs-fact-check/index.html

As always with Trump…lie, lie, lie…and each time saying it more outrageously and embellishing the lie more than the previous lie. Herr Goebbels and Roy Cohn taught Trump well. (I’m assuming everyone knows who Roy Cohn is.)

 

[ModlrMike]

So far Canadians are stepping up and showing their patriotism like never before. My wife just came back from our neighborhood Loblaws store a few moments ago and she told me that products labelled as Canadian are flying off the shelves with many sections totally sold out. Hopefully, once the Trump problem is over and done with (if ever), Canadians will still show a preference for Canadian products.

I did, however, watch the Liberal convention and noticed that during the singing of our national anthem, very few were actually singing along, with quite looking more like they were just muttering something.

Yep. I was at Superstore this morning and a quick survey of the fruit and veg aisles revealed a single US supplied product.

 

[PrairieFella]

(I’m assuming everyone knows who Roy Cohn is.)

The root of a lot of America's political ills right now.