CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

I don’t think we could take it as a given that we’d be given a vote in this scenario…

If we are state, why not?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Churchill River is a freshwater river and not open 12 months.
Additionally, Hudson’s Bat swirls counter clockwise, bringing salted water up the Nelson River. And that’s where your port should be. Alas we already knew that, started a project more 100 years ago, didn’t fix mush it due to WW1 and never got back to it. Port Nelson…

DAUDRICH: The case for Port Nelson, rather than Churchill

As a 42-year resident of Churchill, MB, I’ve read several decades-worth of various opinions of the Port of Churchill and the condition of the rail line. Here ar

www.westernstandard.news

Gosh I wish we could edit posts two hours after posting.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Have a read/listen this this article from a fellow that I’ve worked with in the past and know to be a brilliant individual. He made is name while working in Wall Street, is a regular fixture in CNBC and came back to Canada as the Great Recession took hold in the US. He is one of the most well known Economists in NA.

‘Burn down their house’: Bay Street veteran weighs in on tariff response

Bay Street veteran David Rosenberg says that Canada has more leverage in its trade war with the U.S. than many experts think, and when it comes to hitting back against Donald Trump, there’s one thing Canadian officials should focus on above all else: his approval rating.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

His take on all of this - ‘burn down their house’ - is what he’s basically saying, lol.

 

[RangerRay]

It is also a deterrent to US internal investment, since no one can plan ahead.

DJT is tanking the US as well.

All the more reason for firms to pull pole and move their operations stateside. It'll be chaotic minus tariffs. The Canadian economy will be chaotic, weaker plus the sword of Damocles of tariffs hanging over our heads.

I'm sure he's betting the US economy can hold out for longer than the Canadian one.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I see two possibilities. There's probably more but I'll stick to these two.

He can try cajole and convince us to come over. However, like I say, it would take years to sort out the minutiae of treaties, minerals and natural resources, government, payments, economy, our place in the Republic. Even then, I'd expect there would be a number of Canadians not quite enamoured with the whole plan that end up taking shots at convoys from overpasses. Laws. Do we keep our own, go wholesale into theirs or work out a hybrid. I would expect a decade at least, or more for a transition. Which could well fall apart over successive governments during negotiation. We would have to get over a national referendum first. Trump would be long out of the picture.

The other choice would be covered under the Crime of Aggression in International Law. It includes annexation. I'm not a law whiz but if I understand it at all, it's basically a UN show. Does it have teeth? Doesn't seem to have. It's the same law that would apply to Ukraine and Russia, at the moment, but doesn't seem to have had much effect on that so far. I don't have faith in the UN to be forcefull or proactive.
Would Trump flaunt their authority? Maybe, maybe not. Could his ego stand the vast majority of the world being against him. Putting world sanctions on the US. Making them a pariah on the world stage. I much doubt most of the US population would go for it anyway.

Like I say though, either scenario takes time and Trump doesn't have the time for either scenario. He can be as loud and boisterous, table thumping and threatening as he wants. It means nothing, really. What matters is that we maintain our resolve. For every Canadian put out of work, we put two of theirs out of work. Their economy is no better than ours and most of their workforce is also paycheck to paycheck. Any disruption we create will hurt them.

Hence why I'm not overly concerned with talks of takeovers, invasions and annexation. Come in high and negotiate down.

There is a third possibility. Trump has a special place in his black heart for trudeau and his crew. They are probably pretty high on his list of people he wants to fuck over big time. I doubt he wants to hand them the win for all, or any of this. Probably why he asked about the time of the election. Now, he won't hand it to Poliviere on a silver platter, but he might not be as hard nosed either.

He probably has a looping tape of trudeau's last blubbering 'I feel your pain' speech the other day.

It’s the 3rd possibility and nothing but the third possibility.

 

[suffolkowner]

If we are state, why not?

would Congress accept us as a state?

 

[dapaterson]

All the more reason for firms to pull pole and move their operations stateside. It'll be chaotic minus tariffs. The Canadian economy will be chaotic, weaker plus the sword of Damocles of tariffs hanging over our heads.

I'm sure he's betting the US economy can hold out for longer than the Canadian one.

Except many businesses would still be reliant on Canadian raw materials. So the friction remains.

He's not a master tactician or playing four dimensional chess. He's an addle-brained senior verging on senility.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It all started over fentanyl. Trudeau says we have it under control.

But do we really? Or is he lying to us again?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867342017467924813

 

[Fishbone Jones]

would Congress accept us as a state?

Probably not. But the point is moot anyway. It'll never happen. We should move on from this scenario.

 

[RangerRay]

He's not a master tactician or playing four dimensional chess. He's an addle-brained senior verging on senility.

No disagreement from me!

 

[RangerRay]

Have a read/listen this this article from a fellow that I’ve worked with in the past and know to be a brilliant individual. He made is name while working in Wall Street, is a regular fixture in CNBC and came back to Canada as the Great Recession took hold in the US. He is one of the most well known Economists in NA.

‘Burn down their house’: Bay Street veteran weighs in on tariff response

Bay Street veteran David Rosenberg says that Canada has more leverage in its trade war with the U.S. than many experts think, and when it comes to hitting back against Donald Trump, there’s one thing Canadian officials should focus on above all else: his approval rating.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

His take on all of this - ‘burn down their house’ - is what he’s basically saying, lol.

Time to become Asshole Nation?

 

[YZT580]

I don't want to divert this thread any further but I do want to answer this question.


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Without knowing for certain for sure I am going to guess and assume that the red-hulled freighter in front is one of Fed Nav's fleet.

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Sorry for the quality of the image but the ship at the dock looks very similar to the line sketch shown here

Fednav - www.fednav.com

Fednav excels in navigating the Canadian Arctic, Great Lakes, and St. Lawrence Seaway. With a fleet of 120 dry bulk carriers, we ensure seamless worldwide shipping.

www.fednav.com

Her length is 199.98 m overall, has a beam of 32.26 m and draws 12.95 m laden (saltwater summer draft). Her Lakes Draft is 8.08 m.

The Double Acting Tankers I referenced earlier, Tempera and Mastera, are 252 m LOA, 44 m on the beam and draw 14.5 to 15.3 m.

Although there is a 12 m approach through the narrows at the mouth of the harbour, and the wharf is dredged to as low 11.4 m the majority of the harbour is in the 5 to 8 m depth so those vessels would have to transit light. Or the harbour would have to be improved.

and as soon as you try to do that the environmentalists will take you to court to stop any dredging as it destroys the ground feeding habitat of some fish or other. We are choked with regulations to the point where we can't get anything done

 

[Czech_pivo]

I prefer to call it Hockey Diplomacy.

Time to become Asshole Nation?

 

[mariomike]

I prefer to call it Hockey Diplomacy.

Elbows up?

 

[GK .Dundas]

Elbows up?

Precisely.

 

[Good2Golf]

... By April 2, Trudeau will be gone, a new Red leader will be in place…

 

[Navy_Pete]

It all started over fentanyl. Trudeau says we have it under control.

But do we really? Or is he lying to us again?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867342017467924813

Organized crime groups is a pretty broad definition, and it seemed like he was saying that's how many are in Canada, not profiting off fentanyl. The majority are small gangs with a handful of big players.

If the RCMP knew how many people were profitting off fentanyl, they would likely be arresting most of them, so it's an impossible question to answer.

It's not like there was far less of them operating under Harper or anything, and the number won't magically go down if Pollievre gets elected.

 

[brihard]

Organized crime groups is a pretty broad definition, and it seemed like he was saying that's how many are in Canada, not profiting off fentanyl. The majority are small gangs with a handful of big players.

If the RCMP knew how many people were profitting off fentanyl, they would likely be arresting most of them, so it's an impossible question to answer.

It's not like there was far less of them operating under Harper or anything, and the number won't magically go down if Pollievre gets elected.

Only if they could build convincing, prosecutable cases on it. There’s often a difference between what police know and what we can prove.

 

[Kirkhill]

I agree that it is unlikely, but that's the mindset we are dealing with. If the strategic goal is to wreck our economy, but he only damages it, is that a win for us?

World history is full of people who took the position that other people or other countries should no longer exist. In some cases, the world waited too long to realize they were serious.

I wonder when the UN General Assembly will rebel against the Security Council, especially the Permanent 5. Will their elected representatives on the Security Council ever decide to disregard the vetos?

Now that Trump has joined Putin and Xi in demonstrating that they are both bullies and instable what credibility do they retain? All of them are also demonstrating that they are all hat and no cattle. None of them have the wherewithal to back up their bluffs. Putin isn't pushing any buttons. Xi is pulling out of Panama. Trump is starting to get whiplash from the number of reversals he is announcing. All of them are short of cash, soldiers and weapons, and I include Xi in that. He is still trying to build up his forces and, at the same time, looking for generals who will both show initiative and follow orders while building a modern army. I think that even now, with or without US help, though probably with Korean and Japanese help, the PLA would have difficulty getting any force across the Straits and lodged on Taiwan.

Are they as fearsome as they were? All three of them?

What happens if the General Assembly, together with the non-permanent members, chose to ignore the permanent members and act in defiance of their vetos? I'd like to think that the Brits and the French would work with the General Assembly. Similar dynamics created the parliamentary system and the primacy of the Commons.

 

[tomydoom]

He's an addle-brained senior verging on senility.

“Verging on” seems charitable.