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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Fishbone Jones said:
Of course it's about Trump being Trump. There was never any doubt for some. He's the driver. You started the thread. It's always been about tariffs and Trump. They are one in the same. People can now let their breath out, take some time and get your head around how he operates, instead of panicking evertime he says Boo.

Hopefully, after his studies are done, we'll have a new government that will bargain in our interests, our country and our economics.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs........"
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Kevin O'Leary stated on TV this is Trumps thing. Get everyone riled up over what "could be" and then sit down and negotiate.
 
What about a Canadian Beer pipeline? Canadian quality beer (Creemore at the top of the list, kids) and we pipe it across the country? No one will oppose a beer pipeline. Get a leak? OK, drunk beers and mooses.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
Maybe not Quebec, but north of it through sovereign First Nation's territory that comprises most of that province. Maybe a new federal government should begin exploratory talks with FN?
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It'll be interesting to see who gives Club Fed of any colour a harder time when it comes to building infrastructure: QC or FNs.
 
suffolkowner said:
Didn't he sell high and buy low?
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He sold SPR stocks when it was politically convenient - it may or may not have been at prices higher than the lowest price points - and only replenished part of the draw-down. The stock is down somewhere between 40% to 50% of levels prior to his (Biden's) administration, and in part that's true only because Congress agreed to cancel some mandated sales (ie. agreed not to go ahead with prior plans to reduce stocks even more).
 
brihard said:
I’ve not seen anyone in real positions of power panicking, nor failing to assess the method to the madness. They’ve been stipulating potential responses partly to signal our own resolve to the U.S. audience, both consumer and political, and to reassure Canadians that they aren’t sleeping on this.

There’s been haste in some things, but haste is in order.

While tariffs seem to probably be a ‘not immediately’ thing, that hasn’t become clear until today, and what we were being told was that it very much would be.

A fast-developing asylum seeker rush on the border is definitely still in the cards, with significant quick executive action expected there south of the border.

Tariffs are the single largest and most direct threat, but far from the only significant or imminent one.
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Absolutely agree, but I was talking about ordinary people that inhabit forums like this.
 
Remius said:
Agreed. Hopefully a lesson was learned.
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Probably several - and not just by Canada.

I’m happy to have been mistaken in my expectation of the sanction sword being fully or significantly unsheathed first.

Credit where due, decent recce by public statements from now-POTUS47 helped show the chinks in Canada’s armour in anticipation of CUSMA coming up for review next year.

It’ll be interesting, given the same dynamics should be in play under a differemt coach (likely for now on a different Jersey) to see how the tensions play out again. Will the next PM be able to truly pull every premier into the tent & make them all willing to contribute to the cause, as it were? Will they be able to override big oil, big dairy and big auto & tell all of them they’re all needed in the fight if necessary?

How about for the next fight that could affect all of Canada negatively?

Some’ll say we found out who’s anti-Canada while some others’ll say one of the rules of resisting being bullied of f*%£€<#%ed over — not to obey in advance — sure fell to the wayside here.

Time will tell …
 
Brad Sallows said:
He sold SPR stocks when it was politically convenient - it may or may not have been at prices higher than the lowest price points - and only replenished part of the draw-down. The stock is down somewhere between 40% to 50% of levels prior to his (Biden's) administration, and in part that's true only because Congress agreed to cancel some mandated sales (ie. agreed not to go ahead with prior plans to reduce stocks even more).
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what was politically convenient about it?
 
The Bread Guy said:
Probably several - and not just by Canada.

I’m happy to have been mistaken in my expectation of the sanction sword being fully or significantly unsheathed first.

Credit where due, decent recce by public statements from now-POTUS47 helped show the chinks in Canada’s armour in anticipation of CUSMA coming up for review next year.

It’ll be interesting, given the same dynamics should be in play under a differemt coach (likely for now on a different Jersey) to see how the tensions play out again. Will the next PM be able to truly pull every premier into the tent & make them all willing to contribute to the cause, as it were? Will they be able to override big oil, big dairy and big auto & tell all of them they’re all needed in the fight if necessary?

How about for the next fight that could affect all of Canada negatively?

Some’ll say we found out who’s anti-Canada while some others’ll say one of the rules of resisting being bullied of f*%£€<#%ed over — not to obey in advance — sure fell to the wayside here.

Time will tell …
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One more lesson on this one from the Inaugural speech I just had a chance to read (highlights mine) ....
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... is confirmation of the "why", or at least one of the why's important enough to put into an inaugural speech - and, in part, important to rename a mountain that's already been renamed. This should be considered when thinking about "if we do x, maybe the U.S. won't do y" on this file.
 
Tariffs do raise revenue, but in essentially the same way sales taxes do. There isn't really a way to tax foreigners to pay American bills, short of self-destructive undertakings like repudiating government debt held by foreigners.

Tariffs on Canadian products that are low in the value-added chain are going to be felt with particular intensity by Americans because of the tendency of enterprises to try to preserve profit margins as target percentages. An extra $20 on a barrel of crude is going to be more than $20 to the end consumers of the refined products.

Keep calm and hold fire until actual tariffs are imposed, and then wait some more to give Americans some time to buttonhole their federal political representatives.
 
Trade wars are counterproductive really bad ones degenerate into economic suicide pacts.
This one is being fueled in my opinion by three different but interconnected themes Politicians who need fuel their emotionally charged bases, Media trying to sell themselves to advertiser's. And in some cases are connected to the politicians and social media where any one with wifi can have an opinion and where reasonable thought appears to have died off.
 
QV said:
The net migration by province demonstrates that.
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Sure. What does that have to do with selling out to the US? Net migration existed before her.

If you mean becoming american
Selling out Canada


Then yes she is certainly in step with all of those things.
 
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