CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[suffolkowner]

Story's being shared CBC, but written by The Canadian Press, and I don't see any 15.8% figure there. Other outlets sharing the same story as of this post don't mention the 15.8%, either. Could you have seen an earlier version since corrected?

Still, 6% or so job loss is nothing to sneeze at. That's still predicated on worst case both on what's thrown at us and how the system will respond, so fingers crossed.

Meanwhile, old JB's leaving an interesting one on the table for POTUS47 ....

Biden moves to lift state sponsor of terrorism designation for Cuba, part of deal to free prisoners

President Joe Biden notified Congress of his intent to lift the U.S. designation of Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism, the White House announced, as part of a deal facilitated by the Catholic Church to free political prisoners on the island. Senior U.S. administration officials, who...

www.yahoo.com

IIRC, it's been on/off the list with the Obama-Trump switch, so I suspect Trump'll just add it to the list again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879257678712811731

not unemployment but GDP hit

 

[kratz]

After reading the news report, I had to google the 7,944,400 stat and forgot to reference it. Now, I can't find it.

Searching again provides are more reliable picture, Statistics Canada for December 2024 reports Ontario with 8,119,000 employed.
Therefore a 500,000 job loss continues to hover near 6% unemployment.

 

[The Bread Guy]

After reading the news report, I had to google the 7,944,400 stat and forgot to reference it. Now, I can't find it. Searching again provides are more reliable picture, Statistics Canada for December 2024 reports Ontario with 8,119,000 employed.

Looks like it was Ontario's stats for Feb 2024 - still well within a tight-ish beaten zone of 8-ish million or so.

Therefore a 500,000 job loss continues to hover near 6% unemployment.

Still a nasty number, for sure.

 

[Remius]

Danielle Smith has been pandering to Canadian MAGA and playing footsie with separatists her whole tenure. Overtures to Trump and sabre rattling at Ottawa are about pleasing her base more than the provincial interests (though, she may well see these as being the same thing).

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

‘We have to have a spine’: Former Alta. Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to retaliate against Trump tariffs

Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to take action should U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his tariff threat once he takes office.

www.ctvnews.ca

Even people I know here who dislike Ford are cheering him on.

 

[brihard]

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

‘We have to have a spine’: Former Alta. Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to retaliate against Trump tariffs

Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to take action should U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his tariff threat once he takes office.

www.ctvnews.ca

Even people I know here who dislike Ford are cheering him on.

I’m not a Ford fan for several other reasons, but I’m happy with how he’s handling this. I’m willing to give credit where due.

 

[Jarnhamar]

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

‘We have to have a spine’: Former Alta. Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to retaliate against Trump tariffs

Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to take action should U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his tariff threat once he takes office.

www.ctvnews.ca

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The Canadian sub on reddit is making it seem like Smith showed up at Trumps door with all the base access codes and hand drawn maps where to invade.

What did Smith actually propose to Trump?

 

[OldSolduer]

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

Do we eat cheese too?

 

[Remius]

Canada should strike back at U.S. tariffs 'twice as hard': Doug Ford at premiers meeting

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he is a strong believer in hitting the U.S. back with retaliatory tariffs if Trump implements them against Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

Ford leading.

 

[JLB50]

Canada should strike back at U.S. tariffs 'twice as hard': Doug Ford at premiers meeting

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he is a strong believer in hitting the U.S. back with retaliatory tariffs if Trump implements them against Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

Ford leading.

Frankly I’ve never been a Doug Ford fan, but I must say it’s about time that someone had the balls to stand up to the Americans. Make no mistake, this whole shit show may have been of Trump’s doing. The problem is, the American people have shown their support for him not only by getting him re-elected but for supporting him since the election. Our response to the tariffs must NOT be a simple matter of “roll-over and suffer”. That will only show our timidity and fear, and in the process will make us an easier target for similar or even existential threats in the future. Trump’s mind seems to have put him in a continual dog-eat-dog world. In which case Canada needs to make sure that, despite our relative economic size, we have a set of very, very sharp teeth. Anyway, my respect for Doug Ford has gone up immeasurably.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The Canadian sub on reddit is making it seem like Smith showed up at Trumps door with all the base access codes and hand drawn maps where to invade.

What did Smith actually propose to Trump?

Nothing. She represented her people as a good Premier should.

People are simply pearl clutching because she's from Alberta and not Canada's all knowing all seeing center, she's a conservative, and her province actually has something to offer the US. And it scares the crap out of them.

If we make it through this we need to fix the divisions in our country and that means pulling power from Ont/Que and spreading it out equally.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The Canadian sub on reddit is making it seem like Smith showed up at Trumps door with all the base access codes and hand drawn maps where to invade.

What did Smith actually propose to Trump?

Nothing. She represented her people as a good Premier should.

Like any statement from any politician, where we weren't at the meeting, we can never know, or we can only guess - maybe something in between, maybe something we can't even guess at. All depends on how much you trust the politician talking

 

[Halifax Tar]

Like any statement from any politician, where we weren't at the meeting, we can never know, or we can only guess - maybe something in between, maybe something we can't even guess at. All depends on how much you trust the politician talking

Lots of people are speculating in the other direction. Someone has to even the keel

 

[mariomike]

What's your conclusion?

Same as this,

I cannot for the life of me imagine why.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Lots of people are speculating in the other direction. Someone has to even the keel

The naive optimist in me likes to guess (as a starting point, anyway) something in between the extremes, but that usually works better in areas where I know more about the granular details of what can & can't be done.

 

[Remius]

Nothing. She represented her people as a good Premier should.

People are simply pearl clutching because she's from Alberta and not Canada's all knowing all seeing center, she's a conservative, and her province actually has something to offer the US. And it scares the crap out of them.

If we make it through this we need to fix the divisions in our country and that means pulling power from Ont/Que and spreading it out equally.

No. She’s went and showed her hand and even threatened the country instead of working in unison. And she did it publicly. Harper, Kenney and Ford basically came out to counter that.

 

[Jarnhamar]

No. She’s went and showed her hand and even threatened the country instead of working in unison. And she did it publicly. Harper, Kenney and Ford basically came out to counter that.

What did she say to threaten the country?

 

[Kirkhill]

No. She’s went and showed her hand and even threatened the country instead of working in unison. And she did it publicly. Harper, Kenney and Ford basically came out to counter that.

And she is the only one of the premiers that had a chance to personally ask Trump what he meant, what his intentions are are what is his preferred course of action. Is that useful information for Doug Ford and the premiers?

 

[Remius]

And she is the only one of the premiers that had a chance to personally ask Trump what he meant, what his intentions are are what is his preferred course of action. Is that useful information for Doug Ford and the premiers?

That info is certainly good. Publicly declaring a unity crisis if Canada exercises certain options is not.

 

[Remius]

What did she say to threaten the country?

She publicly declared that using certain options (in this case cutting off energy supply) would start a unity crisis.

That was not helpful.

 

[Halifax Tar]

She publicly declared that using certain options (in this case cutting off energy supply) would start a unity crisis.

That was not helpful.

Why does her concern have to be Canadian unity ?

Her first concern should be her people and their prosperity. I don't think she wants Albertans or their economy used as pawns by Eastern Canada. I think its fair play.