CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[daftandbarmy]

A good explanation...

Could Canada stop sending crude oil to the US?​

Theoretically yes, but it is unlikely, experts say.

The federal government does, in theory, have the authority to stop the exports. But De Silva said that would be complicated, as Canada is a confederation, which means the federal government and provinces share power. Oil production comes under provincial power.

“There are definitely legal questions there, because Canada’s never done it before,” De Silva told Al Jazeera, adding that disagreements could cause a “domestic constitutional crisis”.

De Silva added that there is also the question of where the oil would be stored after turning off the tap. “When pipelines are full, it will be very hard to find space for an additional 4 million barrels a day.”

De Silva added that if Canada’s government decides to cut off the oil supply to the US, there would also be a question mark over how the eastern parts of Canada – Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick – would get their oil. It raises questions about whether the US would in turn prevent the flow of oil, which flows through US territory, to eastern Canada.

Could Canada really stop oil flow to the US in response to Trump tariffs?

Canada, which sends nearly all its crude oil to the US, has little leverage as the US buys most of Ottawa’s products.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

Things could be worse - we could have some of the internal trade policies of the EU - but we get an honourable mention.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I don't see any Liberal politicians smart mouthing Trump or the Maga Conservatives anymore, can't imagine why

But really, whether it's Poilievre or PM Careny, one of them needs to tell Trump to STFU about the 51st state crap and Tariffs. If he's going to drop Tariffs then do it already. Just stop mentioning it every 6 hours.

 

[OldSolduer]

I don't see any Liberal politicians smart mouthing Trump or the Maga Conservatives anymore, can't imagine why

But really, whether it's Poilievre or PM Careny, one of them needs to tell Trump to STFU about the 51st state crap and Tariffs. If he's going to drop Tariffs then do it already. Just stop mentioning it every 6 hours.

Agreed - whoever gets elected needs to point out there are 10 provinces and 3 Territories, all being very disagreeable and selfish. Ungovernable and the red head step kid is the worst - always demanding and kicking and pouting. Good luck with that Mr. President.

And I have not seen many Liberals making many statements about anything substantial. Which is not a bad thing....

 

[brihard]

Agreed - whoever gets elected needs to point out there are 10 provinces and 3 Territories, all being very disagreeable and selfish. Ungovernable and the red head step kid is the worst - always demanding and kicking and pouting. Good luck with that Mr. President.

And I have not seen many Liberals making many statements about anything substantial. Which is not a bad thing....

There will be no voluntary joining of Canada to the U.S. it’ll never happen legally and consensually. Therefore, if Canada were ever to be annexed by the U.S., it would not be circumstances where they would care about how we would prefer to be governed.

Canada would be ungovernable, certainly, but not for any reason to do with our internal squabbles.

 

[daftandbarmy]

 

[QV]

Things could be worse - we could have some of the internal trade policies of the EU - but we get an honourable mention.

Hence my comment about hysteria becUse Trump.

 

[suffolkowner]

what are our internal trade barriers? Is there a list somewhere?

 

[Remius]

what are our internal trade barriers? Is there a list somewhere?

-Each province has their own licensing systems for trades, professions
-Alcohol. You have a better chance of finding California wine at the LCBO rather than BC wine
-a whole bunch of regulatory and safety things that vary from province on the contents of similar things
-food, dairy, meat

Just to name a few

 

[suffolkowner]

-Each province has their own licensing systems for trades, professions
-Alcohol. You have a better chance of finding California wine at the LCBO rather than BC wine
-a whole bunch of regulatory and safety things that vary from province on the contents of similar things
-food, dairy, meat

Just to name a few

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?
We dont need a brewery in the province to sell beer in that province anymore do we?

 

[Remius]

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?

Like an official list? Likely not. And I bet there are even differences in whatever list between certain provinces.

But regulatory differences are and can be trade barriers.

Heck, language laws are trade barriers

 

[brihard]

thats what i thought they are not trade barriers per se but regulatory differences. Still is there a list?
We dont need a brewery in the province to sell beer in that province anymore do we?

‘Barriers’ in this case is shorthand for anything that adds costs, friction, delay etc. Anything that reduces the efficiency and freedom of interprovincial trade and commodity flow trade.

 

[suffolkowner]

Like an official list? Likely not. And I bet there are even differences in whatever list between certain provinces.

But regulatory differences are and can be trade barriers.

Heck, language laws are trade barriers

‘Barriers’ in this case is shorthand for anything that adds costs, friction, delay etc. Anything that reduces the efficiency and freedom of interprovincial trade and commodity flow trade.

like our defence spending and international trade ambitions maybe Trump will be the impetus to do something about it. I doubt it though as the Premiers would rather go to Washington

 

[Remius]

like our defence spending and international trade ambitions maybe Trump will be the impetus to do something about it. I doubt it though as the Premiers would rather go to Washington

Anita Anand is supposedly working on reducing those barriers. But I suspect they have to hit while the iron is hot.

 

[Good2Golf]

The ironic part about anything trade related in the United States and any other country is that it seems now that comedians are the ones informing us on what happened and we’re laughing (or crying) at politicians…

 

[Remius]

Anita Anand is supposedly working on reducing those barriers. But I suspect they have to hit while the iron is hot.

To add to what I mentioned. Looks like they are looking at three things specifically.

Reducing exceptions found in the CFTA.
labour movement between provinces. (Ie certifications and professional designations being recognized) and;
Recognizing rules from other jurisdictions

Good start if they can get those done in short order.

 

[QV]

Anyone know if this list is accurate?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890899913996931313

 

[suffolkowner]

Anyone know if this list is accurate?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890899913996931313

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

 

[QV]

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

If this is what’s actually in place now, it’s relevant.

 

[Remius]

im pretty sure this is a list of tariffs that have ever been in existence nothing to do with anything remotely recent

I’m sure that supply management is a huge component of all of that.

CUSMA is where that should be negotiated and discussed just like last time.

This is just grasping at straws to support Trump’s unprovoked position against Canada.

PP has already said he supports supply management so if he is the next PM don’t expect much on that front. And the LPC if they can get a Hail Mary upset win won’t be any different on that.