CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Good2Golf]

US confirms major trade deal with the UK. Seems like the US has been playing nice with others.

Trump confirms trade deal with UK: 'Full and comprehensive'

President Donald Trump said he will announce a “full and comprehensive" trade deal between the United States and the United Kingdom Thursday.

www.foxbusiness.com

Ummm…the UK accepting the 10% tariffs Trump imposed in the UK back in April…sure. win-win, I suppose.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Starting to notice the pinch among their constituents.

‘Canadian Snowbird Act’ proposed in U.S. Congress

A proposed U.S. bill could allow Canadian snowbirds who own or lease a residence in the United States to stay longer. Here's what an immigration lawyer and a seniors group think.

www.ctvnews.ca

U.S. lawmakers are proposing a bill that would allow some Canadian snowbirds to stay in the United States longer, in hopes of rebuilding cross-border tourism and supporting local economies.

The Canadian Snowbird Visa Act proposes to extend the length of time eligible Canadian citizens aged 50 and over could visit the U.S. without a visa to 240 days, up from the current 182 days that are permitted each year.

While it may entice some, what happens when those who don't pay attention to the minutiae find when they are out of the country for 184 days that they are no longer considered resident in Canada and it's effect on health insurance, income tax, OAS/GIS, etc.

 

[ModlrMike]

Queue the winging in 3...2...1, followed by the "why didn't the government tell me?"

 

[daftandbarmy]

Queue the winging in 3...2...1, followed by the "why didn't the government tell me?"

 

[Haggis]

While it may entice some, what happens when those who don't pay attention to the minutiae find when they are out of the country for 184 days that they are no longer considered resident in Canada and it's effect on health insurance, income tax, OAS/GIS, etc.

For customs purposes, non-resident status kicks in after you have not physically been present in Canada for a year, even if you are a Canadian citizen.

 

[Remius]

As the U.S. trade war escalates, LNG Canada is poised to start exports to Asia

The Canadian energy industry is looking to LNG Canada as a promising sign that the country is capable of shipping its resources to new markets and reducing its U.S. economic dependence

www.theglobeandmail.com

Some good news again.

 

[lenaitch]

Starting to notice the pinch among their constituents.

‘Canadian Snowbird Act’ proposed in U.S. Congress

A proposed U.S. bill could allow Canadian snowbirds who own or lease a residence in the United States to stay longer. Here's what an immigration lawyer and a seniors group think.

www.ctvnews.ca

While it may entice some, what happens when those who don't pay attention to the minutiae find when they are out of the country for 184 days that they are no longer considered resident in Canada and it's effect on health insurance, income tax, OAS/GIS, etc.

Besides, foreigners are good source of revenue.

DeSantis says Florida residents want property tax cuts, not sales tax breaks "for tourists"

DeSantis on Monday said state and local governments can maintain their "core functions" by offloading the tax burden on non-Floridians.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/local-news?ftag=CNM-16-10abg0d

"We need to focus on our Florida residents. And focus on, in this case, Florida homeowners, particularly our homesteaded homeowners, and we need to focus the relief there," DeSantis said. "I want Canadian tourists and Brazilian tourists subsidizing the state (through sales taxes) and making it so Florida residents pay less taxes. I don't want to give Canadians a tax cut."

No doubt he would favour a different property tax rate for 'natural born Floridians'.

 

[Remius]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/conference-us-travel-1.7531255

Fall out continues…

 

[daftandbarmy]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/conference-us-travel-1.7531255

Fall out continues…

Indeed...

 

[Czech_pivo]

For customs purposes, non-resident status kicks in after you have not physically been present in Canada for a year, even if you are a Canadian citizen.

And after those 365 days you lose OHIP coverage.

Indeed...

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Need to be very careful with going beyond 183 days as you’ll most likely be on the hook for filing a US taxes return.

 

[lenaitch]

And after those 365 days you lose OHIP coverage.

It's less than that in Ontario (OHIP):

OHIP coverage while outside Canada

Find out what OHIP covers when you’re temporarily outside Canada.

www.ontario.ca

 

[OldSolduer]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/conference-us-travel-1.7531255

Fall out continues…

For the near future we’ve decided to travel to BC through Canada. The Cdn dollar will be garbage plus the US doesn’t need our money.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Honda heading south.... with all the jobs

Tariffs Drive Honda to Move S.U.V. Production From Canada to U.S.​

President Trump’s trade war again tests Canada’s new government. Honda is also postponing a major electric vehicle factory in Canada.


In the face of U.S. tariffs, Honda said on Monday that it would shift production of one of its popular vehicles from Ontario to a U.S. factory and postpone an $11 billion plan to make electric vehicles and batteries in Canada.

The announcement came less than a month after Honda denied a report in the Japanese media that President Trump’s tariffs would force it to pull back in Canada.

It also poses a major challenge for Prime Minister Mark Carney of Canada, who won a stunning victory in last month’s election after portraying himself as the leader best suited for dealing with President Trump and the trade war between the two countries.

The United States has imposed a 25 percent tariff on many Canadian autos and auto parts.

Honda’s chief executive, Toshiro Mibe, said in a news conference in Japan that the decision to move the manufacturing of the CR-V sport utility vehicle to the United States was part of the company’s plans to “optimize” production to reduce the effects of tariffs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/world/americas/honda-trump-tariffs-us-canada.html

 

[HavokFour]

Honda heading south.... with all the jobs

Tariffs Drive Honda to Move S.U.V. Production From Canada to U.S.​

President Trump’s trade war again tests Canada’s new government. Honda is also postponing a major electric vehicle factory in Canada.


In the face of U.S. tariffs, Honda said on Monday that it would shift production of one of its popular vehicles from Ontario to a U.S. factory and postpone an $11 billion plan to make electric vehicles and batteries in Canada.

The announcement came less than a month after Honda denied a report in the Japanese media that President Trump’s tariffs would force it to pull back in Canada.

It also poses a major challenge for Prime Minister Mark Carney of Canada, who won a stunning victory in last month’s election after portraying himself as the leader best suited for dealing with President Trump and the trade war between the two countries.

The United States has imposed a 25 percent tariff on many Canadian autos and auto parts.

Honda’s chief executive, Toshiro Mibe, said in a news conference in Japan that the decision to move the manufacturing of the CR-V sport utility vehicle to the United States was part of the company’s plans to “optimize” production to reduce the effects of tariffs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/world/americas/honda-trump-tariffs-us-canada.html

Article has had an edit. CR-V's are built fully in both countries, they're shifting the US bound models made in Canada to the US production line and Canadian production CR-V's are staying in Ontario. Part of this shuffle also includes moving all CR-V's for Global buyers are being moved from the US line into Alliston.

The majority of the CR-Vs made in Canada are shipped to the United States.

Ken Chiu, a spokesman for Honda Canada, said that wherever the production of specific models is moved, the company does not plan to cut “production volume or employment” at its Canadian factory. Honda currently employs about 4,200 people at its plant in Alliston, Ontario, which also builds Civic sedans as well as engines.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Article has had an edit. CR-V's are built fully in both countries, they're shifting the US bound models made in Canada to the US production line and Canadian production CR-V's are staying in Ontario. Part of this shuffle also includes moving all CR-V's for Global buyers are being moved from the US line into Alliston.

The overall solution might just be the old Auto Pact requirements - "For every vehicle sold in Canada, one must be built in Canada."

IF we went back to this model we would 'gain' about 4-500,000 MORE vehicles made in Canada each year. That's roughly 2 MORE auto manufacturing plants in Canada. Where I think we would lose jobs would be on the parts manufacturing side, as I believe we build alot more parts than what we consume.

 

[brihard]

Article has had an edit. CR-V's are built fully in both countries, they're shifting the US bound models made in Canada to the US production line and Canadian production CR-V's are staying in Ontario. Part of this shuffle also includes moving all CR-V's for Global buyers are being moved from the US line into Alliston.

Important clarity, thanks for that. Makes sense- US model versus everywhere else is probably some minor changes that are pretty easy to adapt on existing lines at production plants.

This also means the U.S. will lose some vehicle exports, but it will potentially allow the vehicle manufacturer to dodge retaliatory tariffs by exporting from Canada rather than the U.S..

 

[JLB50]

Important clarity, thanks for that. Makes sense- US model versus everywhere else is probably some minor changes that are pretty easy to adapt on existing lines at production plants.

This also means the U.S. will lose some vehicle exports, but it will potentially allow the vehicle manufacturer to dodge retaliatory tariffs by exporting from Canada rather than the U.S..

Otherwise…any loss of vehicle manufacturing intended for the Canadian market should result in…wait for it…the Prime Minister announcing 25% tariffs on all Hondas imported from the U.S.

 

[brihard]

The U.S. Court of International Trade has ruled a broad search of Trump’s tariffs as outside his legal authority, including the ‘emergency’ tariffs levied against Canada.

US court blocks most Trump tariffs, says president exceeded his authority

A U.S. trade court ruled the president overstepped his authority by imposing across-the-board duties on imports from trading partners.

www.reuters.com

I expect we’ll see the administration attempt to have this stayed pending appeal, and appeal briskly to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. Lots of fast litigation to come, I think.

Court order:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.17080/gov.uscourts.cit.17080.55.0.pdf

 

[HavokFour]

The U.S. Court of International Trade has ruled a broad search of Trump’s tariffs as outside his legal authority, including the ‘emergency’ tariffs levied against Canada.

US court blocks most Trump tariffs, says president exceeded his authority

A U.S. trade court ruled the president overstepped his authority by imposing across-the-board duties on imports from trading partners.

www.reuters.com

I expect we’ll see the administration attempt to have this stayed pending appeal, and appeal briskly to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. Lots of fast litigation to come, I think.

Court order:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.17080/gov.uscourts.cit.17080.55.0.pdf

This is a real hand grenade thrown into his plans on using them as leverage after starting a trade war with... the whole planet.

 

[dapaterson]

This is a real hand grenade thrown into any leverage he planned on using after starting a trade war with... the whole planet.

Clearly time to impeach all the judges on that court.