CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[brihard]

Very much echos of moscow

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899467690177118503

Dangerous and dishonest rhetoric.

He needs to get it through his head we will NEVER be American, and that yes, there would be many Canadians willing to use violence to ensure that.

He has delusions that his country’s manufacturing sector can cleanly and easily pivot to onshore. He cannot destroy our auto sector without destroying his own- and he’ll be doing so just in time for the midterms. At the same time as he chokes his agricultural sector of labour, he’ll drive their fertilizer costs higher and shrink their export markets.

He’s determined to rediscover all at once all the reasons modern economies have moved away from 1600s style mercantilism.

How much of his self-destructive bullshit are Americans going to sit there and take?

 

[ModlrMike]

He also fails to realize that the last time the US went this protectionist it precipitated the Great Depression.

 

[PrairieFella]

Dangerous and dishonest rhetoric.

He needs to get it through his head we will NEVER be American, and that yes, there would be many Canadians willing to use violence to ensure that.

He has delusions that his country’s manufacturing sector can cleanly and easily pivot to onshore. He cannot destroy our auto sector without destroying his own- and he’ll be doing so just in time for the midterms. At the same time as he chokes his agricultural sector of labour, he’ll drive their fertilizer costs higher and shrink their export markets.

He’s determined to rediscover all at once all the reasons modern economies have moved away from 1600s style mercantilism.

How much of his self-destructive bullshit are Americans going to sit there and take?

One thing that is becoming clear here is that Americans might be the most cowardly and apathetic people on the planet right now. Look at the nationalistic show of force happening in Canada of all places. Different political factions, neighbours, communities uniting to send the message we are not for sale. Compare that to the feckless democrats with their colour coordination in Congress and spineless Republicans clapping along to economic meltdown caused by their dementia-ridden Dear Leader.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I sure hope everyone here would do their duty as members of the Armed Forces.

Would you help the RCMP confiscate civilian owned firearms if the government ordered the military to do so?

 

[KevinB]

One thing that is becoming clear here is that Americans might be the most cowardly and apathetic people on the planet right now. Look at the nationalistic show of force happening in Canada of all places. Different political factions, neighbours, communities uniting to send the message we are not for sale. Compare that to the feckless democrats with their colour coordination in Congress and spineless Republicans clapping along to economic meltdown caused by their dementia-ridden Dear Leader.

Hey we are busy tanking Tesla right now --

One at a time...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899285367393485017

 

[PrairieFella]

Would you help the RCMP confiscate civilian owned firearms if the government ordered the military to do so?

What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.

 

[PrairieFella]

Hey we are busy tanking Tesla right now --

One at a time...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899285367393485017

Looms like Elon is taking care of the tanking all by himself, thank you very much haha.

 

[KevinB]

What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.

I think that is being overly hypothetical - as I tend to believe that Gen Milley was correct

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899058978027372742

I do not believe the US Military would do anything if given an order to invade Canada, other than remove the President from office.

 

[PrairieFella]

I think that is being overly hypothetical - as I tend to believe that Gen Milley was correct

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899058978027372742

I do not believe the US Military would do anything if given an order to invade Canada, other than remove the President from office.

Unfortunately Kevin, I'm not so sure. I wish I could be.

 

[QV]

What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.

"Only our own government is allowed to be repressive!"

 

[GK .Dundas]

Perhaps we should adopt the Swedes first general order if invaded.
Which goes along the lines of . That no order or orders to surrender are to ever considered as valid under any circumstances.
Comes out of observing the Norwegian experience during WWII. And of course looking at Soviet tactics involving deception at both the tactical and strategic level.

 

[QV]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/trump-ford-ontario-electricity-tariffs-trade-war-1.7480234

Oh look, someone blinked. Imagine that negotiations are underway...

I know it's hard to pull yourself from the righteous I-want-to-be-an-insurgent-against-an-American-invasion space. The media hype and those on this forum who jug it by the gallon is something else.

As to your "prepare for the worst" yeah, well where have you been for the last decade? This country has squandered it's potential in a massive way, has devoted itself to destroy our heritage through some post-nation horse shit and division, and is now in full reactionary mode with hardly any cards to hold except "elbows up!". We need a reckoning in this country and a massive wake up call. Maybe, just maybe, Trump will do that for us. But I have my doubts with a Carney/NDP coalition looming.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion?

Isn't it your "duty" to follow orders though?
Of course you'd take firearms out of Canadian hands if you were ordered to do so.

The whole do your duty line is nothing more than manipulation and coerson. It sounds straight from all the left wing "patriots" on reddit calling everyone else traitors (along with chinese Russia American bots)

would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.

I'll answer this hypothetical question. But first, has the hypothetical person asking me if I'd defend Canada from invasion ever carried live rounds in a theater of war and risked their life "for Canada" in the presense of an armed enemy?

 

[PuckChaser]

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[PrairieFella]

Isn't it your "duty" to follow orders though?
Of course you'd take firearms out of Canadian hands if you were ordered to do so.

The whole do your duty line is nothing more than manipulation and coerson. It sounds straight from all the left wing "patriots" on reddit calling everyone else traitors (along with chinese Russia American bots)

It is my duty to follow orders yes. If the order is legal, I follow. So do you. How is that relevant to the discussion about Canadian national integrity?

I'll answer this hypothetical question. But first, has the hypothetical person asking me if I'd defend Canada from invasion ever carried live rounds in a theater of war and risked their life "for Canada" in the presense of an armed enemy?

No, this real and not hypothetical person did not. Of the crime of being 16 by the end of the last shooting war, I am guilty. Which you seem to be implying lessens my ability to form opinions.

Now if you would please be so kind as to answer the question, but try not to insult all of our fellow forumers that didnt get the opportunity to leave the wire in Afghanistan again, they're allowed to have opinions too. Not quite the own you think you had.

 

[Czech_pivo]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/trump-ford-ontario-electricity-tariffs-trade-war-1.7480234

Oh look, someone blinked. Imagine that negotiations are underway...

I know it's hard to pull yourself from the righteous I-want-to-be-an-insurgent-against-an-American-invasion space. The media hype and those on this forum who jug it by the gallon is something else.

As to your "prepare for the worst" yeah, well where have you been for the last decade? This country has squandered it's potential in a massive way, has devoted itself to destroy our heritage through some post-nation horse shit and division, and is now in full reactionary mode with hardly any cards to hold except "elbows up!". We need a reckoning in this country and a massive wake up call. Maybe, just maybe, Trump will do that for us. But I have my doubts with a Carney/NDP coalition looming.

Please don't suggest that Dougie blinked first.

The blinking was mutual - Trump doesn't do the extra 25% and Dougie stops his 25% on electricity. Dougie has been very clear, very articulate in his commenting that he just wants to sit down with Trump and talk about what needs to be done for a deal to happen.

When I heard Dougie today say to Wolf Blitzer live on CNN that he had suggested to Gov Witmer when talking with her that she should put on the Michigan electric bills going out in March that the reason for the 25% increase to their bill was because of a 'Trump Tax', I knew that would piss off Trump and his cabinet. Dougie also said in the interview that he was having a conversation with Lutnick today and hoped to talk sense with him about making a deal. Dougie also began today to use the phase, 'Trump Recession' live on US news interviews was another nail in Trump's coffin in terms of losing the public in the US.

I'd go out on a limb and say that well over 85% of Canadians are backing the Canadian response to Trump and he's inability to clearly articulate what he is trying to do to Canada. I'd also go out on a limb and say that somewhere between 55-60% of Americans are against Trump's tariffs to Canada. With both of those numbers in favour for Canada, the longer this drags on, the farther the stock market falls, the greater the uncertainty remains, the more often Americans hear the words 'Trump Recession' and 'Trump Tax' on US news outlets - the greater the chance that Canada comes out on top of this.

Now, am I happy with the direction that Canada has gone down over the 2015 to present path - no - not at all. Deeply sadden and upset about it - but at the same time, when there is a clear and direct threat to Canada and our way of life - our ability to dictate our own course of actions, for better or for worse, I will choose to rally around the flag and burn down the house of those that are against us. After that, I will gladly start to bitch, complain and actively try to change whatever policies our Federal Government is trying to implement that I am against.

 

[GK .Dundas]

I think that is being overly hypothetical - as I tend to believe that Gen Milley was correct

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899058978027372742

I do not believe the US Military would do anything if given an order to invade Canada, other than remove the President from office.

I'd like to think so as well but....

 

[PrairieFella]

Please don't suggest that Dougie blinked first.

The blinking was mutual - Trump doesn't do the extra 25% and Dougie stops his 25% on electricity. Dougie has been very clear, very articulate in his commenting that he just wants to sit down with Trump and talk about what needs to be done for a deal to happen.

When I heard Dougie today say to Wolf Blitzer live on CNN that he had suggested to Gov Witmer when talking with her that she should put on the Michigan electric bills going out in March that the reason for the 25% increase to their bill was because of a 'Trump Tax', I knew that would piss off Trump and his cabinet. Dougie also said in the interview that he was having a conversation with Lutnick today and hoped to talk sense with him about making a deal. Dougie also began today to use the phase, 'Trump Recession' live on US news interviews was another nail in Trump's coffin in terms of losing the public in the US.

I'd go out on a limb and say that well over 85% of Canadians are backing the Canadian response to Trump and he's inability to clearly articulate what he is trying to do to Canada. I'd also go out on a limb and say that somewhere between 55-60% of Americans are against Trump's tariffs to Canada. With both of those numbers in favour for Canada, the longer this drags on, the farther the stock market falls, the greater the uncertainty remains, the more often Americans hear the words 'Trump Recession' and 'Trump Tax' on US news outlets - the greater the chance that Canada comes out on top of this.

Now, am I happy with the direction that Canada has gone down over the 2015 to present path - no - not at all. Deeply sadden and upset about it - but at the same time, when there is a clear and direct threat to Canada and our way of life - our ability to dictate our own course of actions, for better or for worse, I will choose to rally around the flag and burn down the house of those that are against us. After that, I will gladly start to bitch, complain and actively try to change whatever policies our Federal Government is trying to implement that I am against.

Well said.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I think that is being overly hypothetical - as I tend to believe that Gen Milley was correct

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899058978027372742

I do not believe the US Military would do anything if given an order to invade Canada, other than remove the President from office.

Are you as sure that the new CJCS will be true to the Constitution? Or fuckwit PH?

 

[brihard]

I know it's hard to pull yourself from the righteous I-want-to-be-an-insurgent-against-an-American-invasion space. The media hype and those on this forum who jug it by the gallon is something else.

Don’t be absurd. Nobody here wants that. A lot of us have been on the ground in a counterinsurgency war, and we very much understand what that would really entail. And we know that, even though Americans will pull out after four or five thousand dead soldiers, the toll for the other side is far higher. There’s not a sane person here who wants to be, dreams of, or fantasizes about being in a conflict like that. Or seeing our families and friends living their day to day life in such an environment. Nobody here wants to get run off the road by an MRAP on the way to the grocery store. Nobody here wants to get fingerprinted or iris scanned at a random checkpoint and maybe pulled out of our cars and disappeared. Nobody wants the electricity to simply be unreliable, or the store shelves empty, or have our jobs disappear. Nobody wants to be caught in the crossfire of an ambush, or simply be in the wrong place and wrong time when some E-3 behind a pintle mount gets skittish. Nobody wants to be the next state wrecked and scarred by botched U.S. military adventurism.

The odds of that happening in and to Canada are very, very close to zero. But it used to just be zero, and that difference is very uncomfortable to have to think about. It also has to be acknowledged. It’s a fundamental rupture in something that up til now we could take more for granted than anything, so yeah, it will generate some discussion.