CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Jarnhamar]

It is my duty to follow orders yes. If the order is legal, I follow. So do you. How is that relevant to the discussion about Canadian national integrity?

Firearm ownership and the ability to defend oneself from the old "enemies, foreign and domestic" is important to me. I like to know when someone would use force in the name of duty to disarm citizens. I personally find that quit fascist.

There's a nexus national integrity and the "patriots" I mentioned who support a government trying to disarm Canadians. I'd go so far to say it's our duty as Canadians to oppose that government.

But duty is an easy word to try and force certain narrow minded views with.

No, this real and not hypothetical person did not.

Cool.

Of the crime of being 16 by the end of the last shooting war, I am guilty. Which you seem to be implying lessens my ability to form opinions.

Now if you would please be so kind as to answer the question, but try not to insult all of our fellow forumers that didnt get the opportunity to leave the wire in Afghanistan again, they're allowed to have opinions too. Not quite the own you think you had.

I don't condemn or ridicule CAF members who didn't get an opportunity to deploy. It happens and they're by no means second class.

If someone questions me on my willingness to serve (maybe sacrifice for) Canada, which is fine, I just like to know if they've actually witnessed/partaken in what they're challenging me on.

Of course I would defend Canada against the US, which I suspect isn't the own you thought you had , either

 

[Jarnhamar]

Damn for all of Fords tough talk about not raising tariffs until this is over he sure blinked fast.

 

[brihard]

Damn for all of Fords tough talk about not raising tariffs until this is over he sure blinked fast.

No he didn’t. He fired back, Trump had to bluster and threaten of course, but at the same time he was doing that, Lutnick, representing a country of 340 million, agreed to come to the table with a province 1/20th of that. Trump only made himself look further unhinged, he shook the confidence of the markets further, and he further exposed some of his political vulnerability. Hopefully this translates to more calls within the U.S. to seek an off ramp to this idiocy.

 

[Jarnhamar]

How us suspending the 25% energy tariff (or whatever it was) after saying we won't until all US tariffs are dropped not blinking? Ford just went back on his word, no?

 

[brihard]

How us suspending the 25% energy tariff (or whatever it was) after saying we won't until all US tariffs are dropped not blinking? Ford just went back on his word, no?

He could could have stuck completely to something that inappropriately constrained him, but that would be stupid. He played a move and gained some advantage out of it.

I suspect there’s some coordination with the feds happening in the background here.

Ford has exposed another weakness- multiple states import electricity, not just from Ontario. It puts the lie to Trump’s bluster about ‘not needing’ anything from Canada. Trump had to go to the point of pledging to announce a national emergency over being denied a particular Canadian export. That’s not a show of strength on his part.

 

[Remius]

How us suspending the 25% energy tariff (or whatever it was) after saying we won't until all US tariffs are dropped not blinking? Ford just went back on his word, no?

Someone reached out to him. lutnick. He’s trying to smooth things over. Ford didn’t blink at all but he’s being reasonable with the olive branch being extended. Including a meeting this Thursday that won’t be with the same B team they met with last time.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Damn for all of Fords tough talk about not raising tariffs until this is over he sure blinked fast.

He did not blink first - the plan all along was to get a direct meeting with the US in order to discuss directly tariffs and our mutual path to destruction.

He stated this as much on US news interviews. He clearly articulated that he didnt want to do this but he was being forced to do this. He said that he preferred to talk directly about the tariffs - the ONLY way that was going to happen was to MAKE the US sit up and notice us by doing what he did. They noticed and I have no doubt that when he spoke with Lutnick this afternoon Dougie CLEARLY said to them, if you want me to stop by price of admission is you brining me to the table to talk trade - you do that I'll drop my electricity tariffs. Have NO doubt that if the talks on Thursday don't go on in a positive manner for BOTH sides that Dougie will bring back the electricity tarriffs.

 

[Remius]

He did not blink fast - the plan all along was to get a direct meeting with the US in order to discuss directly tariffs and our mutual path to destruction.

He stated this as much on US news interviews. He clearly articulated that he didnt want to do this but he was being forced to do this. He said that he preferred to talk directly about the tariffs - the ONLY way that was going to happen was to MAKE the US sit up and notice us by doing what he did. They noticed and I have no doubt that when he spoke with Lutnick this afternoon Dougie CLEARLY said to them, if you want me to stop by price of admission is you brining me to the table to talk trade - you do that I'll drop my electricity tariffs. Have NO doubt that if the talks on Thursday don't go on in a positive manner for BOTH sides that Dougie will bring back the electricity tarriffs.

And I would guess that they calculated that Ford was not bluffing about turning off the power in this tit for tat .

 

[Czech_pivo]

And I would guess that they calculated that Ford was not bluffing about turning off the power in this tit for tat .

100% - that would be the next move by Dougie -

And, if we really really wanted to bring it up a level, Manitoba or 'insert next province name here', would announce a 25% tariff on electricity at the SAME time that Dougie cut off electricity.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Someone reached out to him. lutnick. He’s trying to smooth things over. Ford didn’t blink at all but he’s being reasonable with the olive branch being extended. Including a meeting this Thursday that won’t be with the same B team they met with last time.

I'm not saying Trump is Hitler but holy hell, his staff dealing with him must be like Hitlers generals trying to constantly convince him the Germans are "fighting in a different direction".

 

[Czech_pivo]

The only countries that are benefitting from ALL of this are the enemies of the US (and ours) and ALL the non-aligned countries around the world.

Those non-aligned will be saying, WTF, if the Canadians are getting screwed over by the US, why the hell should we do anything with the US going forward.

 

[Jarnhamar]

He did not blink first - the plan all along was to get a direct meeting with the US in order to discuss directly tariffs and our mutual path to destruction.

Ford should have kept it at 25% and raised it 1% every time Trump says or tweets 51st state.

At least up to 51%

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm not saying Trump is Hitler but holy hell, his staff dealing with him must be like Hitlers generals trying to constantly convince him the Germans are "fighting in a different direction".

Which leads to this question - 'Where is Steiner? Why is he not attacking!?!'

 

[JLB50]

Unfortunately Kevin, I'm not so sure. I wish I could be.

Right now I don’t think it likely happen. But if Trump manages to convince enough Americans that we are the scum of the earth and he has replaced pretty much all of his top brass in the military with those who swear fealty to him, then it could and may happen. I’m convinced that he wants to invade this country, maybe even more than he wants to see Canadians peacefully want to join the U.S. but knows he couldn’t get by with it at this particular point in time. He is quite unwell mentally and wants the “joy” of knowing that people have fought and died for HIM…not necessarily the United States…but HIM. I think as time goes on, unless his powers are blunted by Congress and/or the military, his derangement will feed on previous successes and demand even more actions designed to hurt other nations and people in order to please his supporters and to secure his place as the most powerful man in American if not world history.

 

[Remius]

100% - that would be the next move by Dougie -

And, if we really really wanted to bring it up a level, Manitoba or 'insert next province name here', would announce a 25% tariff on electricity at the SAME time that Dougie cut off electricity.

Harper set the tone earlier. Scorched earth if necessary to protect our sovereignty. the Harper Doctrine. I’m claiming that now.

 

[JLB50]

Which leads to this question - 'Where is Steiner? Why is he not attacking!?!'

The parallels with the 1930s are frightening.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Ford has exposed another weakness- multiple states import electricity, not just from Ontario. It puts the lie to Trump’s bluster about ‘not needing’ anything from Canada. Trump had to go to the point of pledging to announce a national emergency over being denied a particular Canadian export. That’s not a show of strength on his part.

And I don't think everyone appreciates the extent of that weakness. One province, one surcharge, on one inelastic good created a damn near panic. The Premiers and Feds have been working together on this all along- Ford as the most belligerent is likely driving the bus on right now- but this was a limited, calculated probe/ warning shot. Nickel, Quebec electricity, Albertan O&G, Uranium, Potash. 25% surcharges on key necessities blow Miran's BS model out of the water. Trump now knows that we are in fact allowed, and willing, to do things that don't follow the script.

 

[Remius]

‘I respect that’: Trump on Ford suspending electricity surcharge

Donald Trump says he respects Doug Ford’s decision to suspend Ontario’s surcharge on electricity, saying ‘there’s a very strong man in Canada.’

www.ctvnews.ca

LOL.

 

[Good2Golf]

How us suspending the 25% energy tariff (or whatever it was) after saying we won't until all US tariffs are dropped not blinking? Ford just went back on his word, no?

I think he’s negotiating and trading with Lutnik (and probably having backbriefed Carney and some/all of the other Premiers) and acting as Canada’s vanguard dealing with Team MAGA. If anyone has blinked, let recall back to when the US tariffs were imposed on Canada and Mexico on 1 Feb….oh, wait…

 

[Remius]

I think he’s negotiating and trading with Lutnik (and probably having backbriefed Carney and some/all of the other Premiers) and acting as Canada’s vanguard dealing with Team MAGA. If anyone has blinked, let recall back to when the US tariffs were imposed on Canada and Mexico on 1 Feb….oh, wait…

Like any good hockey team, you need a few brawlers.