CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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I don't particularly care that they are family farms, but I do care about food security.
Having Canadian farms disappear or be absorbed by American farms means Canada has less food security.
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Would be nice to get more European cheeses here at a more decent price.
We have lots of other agricultural sectors that are not supply managed and do well. Beef, for example was never supply managed.
Also, it’s weird that we allow less than 9000 extremely wealthy farms to hold the rest of our economy hostage. If we have one big stumbling block to increasing trade with the rest of the world, it’s this.
This is one thing I agreed with Mad Max about.
We have lots of other agricultural sectors that are not supply managed and do well. Beef, for example was never supply managed.
Also, it’s weird that we allow less than 9000 extremely wealthy farms to hold the rest of our economy hostage. If we have one big stumbling block to increasing trade with the rest of the world, it’s this.
This is one thing I agreed with Mad Max about.
Would they disappear or be absorbed into larger corporate dairy farms?
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Most likely absorbed, as has been happening since supply management started, and with grain farming prior to and after Harper ended supply management there.
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So, where will the Canadian food inspectors be stationed? A deliberate bit of sarcasm in that comment. Many imagine that opening up the Canadian market to American dairy producers will result in the dairy aisles of Canadian grocery stores being stocked with cartons/bottles/jugs/bags of milk at cheap American prices. While there would probably be some producers who would try to introduce fluid Yankee milk, that would likely be only in the vicinity of the border; fluid milk processing and consumption is still mostly regionally based. The majority of American dairy will (is) primarily solids (cheese, butter, yogurt, etc) for retail sale and processed industrial components (milk fats, cream, whey, etc) that are used for further processing into shelf products.
Though there is inspection (?) of imported American products at what stage would the push be that we accept American standards or slack off on testing of their dairy products? The major difference between them and us is their use of bovine growth hormones (increases milk production) and antibiotics; while their use of hormones is in about 15% of the industry, both of these in Canada is zero (not allowed). I am also not confident that, with the current US administration, disease control in animal herds may not be as stringent as we may want. An example of that kind of thinking straying into our
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The "400%" tariff line he keeps repeating is right up there with they subsidize us with $XXBillion in trade or all their fentanyl comes from us.
True that there are high tariffs (actually it is 270% not 400 but I could be wrong) on some US dairy product imports but that is only after a tariff-free quantity. Only approximately 1% of US imports are subject to high tariffs.
Overall, they export about about twice as much to as we do to them. Apparently Wisconsin has more dairy cows that all of Canada.
I would also be concerned about the antibiotic and hormone level in US dairy.
The US likes to perpetuate the myth that their agriculture sector is pure free market and everybody else is socialist.
True that there are high tariffs (actually it is 270% not 400 but I could be wrong) on some US dairy product imports but that is only after a tariff-free quantity. Only approximately 1% of US imports are subject to high tariffs.
Overall, they export about about twice as much to as we do to them. Apparently Wisconsin has more dairy cows that all of Canada.
I would also be concerned about the antibiotic and hormone level in US dairy.
The US likes to perpetuate the myth that their agriculture sector is pure free market and everybody else is socialist.
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Trump's latest whim of having Coke switch over to cane sugar in place of HF corn syrup will be another nail in the coffin of the American grain farmer. First the gutting of USAID, then the Potash tariff, then the rounding up of their Indentured Servants and now the cutting of HF corn syrup from Coke (if it happens).
An awful lot of American farmers are going to be going under because of this. Talk about corporate farming takeovers, this is it.
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HF corn syrup is a trash additive. If they've built a farm based on fueling obesity, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they had to sell to corporations.
PrairieFella
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Where they will continue to grow corn but with the added benefit of the abysmal environmental records of corporations, a lack of connection to the community which further entrenches the owner-renter castes that are developing and a loss of tax revenue when the corporate entity uses loopholes to hoover all of the profits off to Panama or Ireland.
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Cane sugar also reduces the glucose index of foods, reducing risks of type 2 diabetes.
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Not disagreeing with any of this. I was just pointing out that this pivot amounts to the 4th nail that Trump has directly added to the coffin of the American farmer in the last 6 months.
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I suspect corn farmers can pivot to another crop, it will do in some farms who have completely optimized for corn. A quick look on the web show that corn farmers need to do crop rotations or risk depleting their fields, so there is the possibility of reducing the amount of corn and growing a crop that is also profitable.
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True, but it will still hit hard for alot of farmers. Too late to pivot this year obviously but will be interesting to see that if the switch to cane sugar results in a significant drop in acres sown with corn.
Could also result in the burning/destruction of more Brazilian rain forest in order to produce more cane sugar required to replace the HF corn syrup.
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AI response on growing cane sugar in the US:
Sugarcane can be grown in the United States, primarily in warmer, subtropical climates. Florida, Louisiana, and Texas are the main states where sugarcane is cultivated, with Florida being the largest producer. Hawaii also has some sugarcane production.
Explanation:
Tropical and Subtropical Climate:
Sugarcane requires a warm climate with plenty of sunshine and either consistent rainfall or reliable irrigation for optimal growth.
US Production Areas:
Florida: The majority of sugarcane in the US is grown in Florida, particularly in the Everglades Agricultural Area (EAA).
Louisiana: Sugarcane is also a significant crop in Louisiana.
Texas: Sugarcane is grown in southeastern Texas.
Hawaii: Hawaii also has a sugarcane industry.
Importance of Processing:
Sugarcane must be processed relatively quickly after harvest due to its tendency to deteriorate, meaning mills are located near the sugarcane farm
Sugarcane can be grown in the United States, primarily in warmer, subtropical climates. Florida, Louisiana, and Texas are the main states where sugarcane is cultivated, with Florida being the largest producer. Hawaii also has some sugarcane production.
Explanation:
Tropical and Subtropical Climate:
Sugarcane requires a warm climate with plenty of sunshine and either consistent rainfall or reliable irrigation for optimal growth.
US Production Areas:
Florida: The majority of sugarcane in the US is grown in Florida, particularly in the Everglades Agricultural Area (EAA).
Louisiana: Sugarcane is also a significant crop in Louisiana.
Texas: Sugarcane is grown in southeastern Texas.
Hawaii: Hawaii also has a sugarcane industry.
Importance of Processing:
Sugarcane must be processed relatively quickly after harvest due to its tendency to deteriorate, meaning mills are located near the sugarcane farm
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Not sure how much the cutting head on a combine costs, but farmers would need to buy a cutter head for other crops if they only had a corn head…
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The Karl Marx/Chicken Little fusion act is a little transparent. Those family farms are totally happy selling their wares to corporate overlords to turn into poisonous food additives, so the crocodile tears don't work.
Those corporate loopholes are legal, ask our Prime Minister when the company he was vice chairman of a corporation headquartered in the Bahamas at a building with 15,000 other companies.
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Most farmers or cash croppers rarely grow "just corn or just soy or just wheat", many I know grow corn, wheat, soy, peas, oats, sunflower, canola, etc in a rotation.
ArmyRick
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Most do, or share the gear with neighbours.
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yes don't doubt, I don't know much in this field, other than it's highly unlikely Canada is going to be able to grow sugarcane any time soon.
