CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[dimsum]

Yup. Many Canadians are taking Trump’s threatened tariffs as an afront to Canadians personally, and not appreciating that it’s a signal to Canada to take continental security seriously…which has been noted with a few examples (foreign political and fiscal interference, drugs, criminal exportation, etc.) is an undeniable fact.

Canada is getting called up on the carpet by America, with the one lever that will work…money, because Lord knows, Canada writ large, has no shame…

I would suggest that it isn’t so much a threat, but something he was going to do regardless.

It would be in line with his other statements regarding domestic policies, which he didn’t preface with “if you guys don’t do X, I’ll deport the illegals”.

The last time around, he wanted to do the things he said but his cabinet talked him out of it. This time the cabinet won’t.

 

[Good2Golf]

I would suggest that it isn’t so much a threat, but something he was going to do regardless.

It would be in line with his other statements regarding domestic policies, which he didn’t preface with “if you guys don’t do X, I’ll deport the illegals”.

The last time around, he wanted to do the things he said but his cabinet talked him out of it. This time the cabinet won’t.

I would posit that if Canada was taking its own shit seriously, there would be variance in scale between the tariff on Canadian imports vs on Mexican imports.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Yup. Many Canadians are taking Trump’s threatened tariffs as an afront to Canadians personally, and not appreciating that it’s a signal to Canada to take continental security seriously…which has been noted with a few examples (foreign political and fiscal interference, drugs, criminal exportation, etc.) is an undeniable fact.

Canada is getting called up on the carpet by America, with the one lever that will work…money, because Lord knows, Canada writ large, has no shame…

My personal opinion is the approach we should take can be summed up as "Two Nations, One Border".

Then again, I also disagree with our position on issues like the Northwest Passage being Internal Waters as opposed to an International Strait.

I also believe we should be taking advantage of our significant natural resource wealth and exploiting our Natural Resources, especially North of 60. A manifest destiny so to speak, for Canada.

 

[brihard]

I hope Canadians are ready to pay for a whole lot more RCMP, CBSA, forensic accountants, CRA, and all the prosecutors, judges, and court staff. There’s a ton of relatively low hanging fruit but without the bodies to work it or the courts to run the cases through.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I hope Canadians are ready to pay for a whole lot more RCMP, CBSA, forensic accountants, CRA, and all the prosecutors, judges, and court staff. There’s a ton of relatively low hanging fruit but without the bodies to work it or the courts to run the cases through.

That's good for your bottom line Brihard and I wouldn't be upset about this if I were you.

My personal opinion is that the Opiate problem is a scourge on our society. It is getting worse, not better and the programs we have put in place have not worked.

Something must be done about this. The Criminals taking advantage of our most vulnerable need to have the hammer swung against them.

In other words, "unleash the hounds" and time to take a real hard line against this.

 

[dimsum]

My personal opinion is the approach we should take can be summed up as "Two Nations, One Border".

Ironically, in the dealings I have with various US DoD and federal agencies (to include the FBI), I am the one that has to say “hey guys, you have a northern border too”. I sat through a 4-day US interagency and industry C-UAS conference talking everything from cartels to prisons to Ukraine, but not a peep about the CAN/US border.

My personal opinion is that the US agencies, writ large, do not care about the CAN/US border. How often do politicians talk about it when it’s not riling up a base or, in this case, justifying something they’re probably going to do anyway?

Back to tariffs, I still chuckle at the (now very frequent) Leopards Ate My Face posts about folks who didn’t clue in that he would say that, despite his Truth Social and interview soundbites saying exactly that. I also await Americans complaining that they now have to pay a ton more for the softwood lumber for their housing, plus the automotive and other products that come from Mexico.

Congrats guys - you got the govt you deserve.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Ironically, in the dealings I have with various US DoD and federal agencies (to include the FBI), I am the one that has to say “hey guys, you have a northern border too”. I sat through a 4-day US interagency and industry C-UAS conference talking everything from cartels to prisons to Ukraine, but not a peep about the CAN/US border.

My personal opinion is that the US agencies, writ large, do not care about the CAN/US border. How often do politicians talk about it when it’s not riling up a base or, in this case, justifying something they’re probably going to do anyway?

Back to tariffs, I still chuckle at the (now very frequent) Leopards Ate My Face posts about folks who didn’t clue in that he would say that, despite his Truth Social and interview soundbites saying exactly that. I also await Americans complaining that they now have to pay a ton more for the softwood lumber for their housing, plus the automotive and other products that come from Mexico.

Congrats guys - you got the govt you deserve.

The tariffs are a threat to Canada to gets its National Security in order. That is what they are and that is their purpose.

I already stated that above. The US doesn't care if they are hurt somewhat by it because it hurts us more than them. They hold all the cards and they want something from us so this is their way of getting it.

I'm not concerned with what politicians say or the crazy things they do. I am concerned with achieving a consensus in negotiations that is mutually beneficial to both parties.

 

[Good2Golf]

Congrats guys - you got have the govt you deserve for the last nine years

Crime’s up, debt is up, extraterritorial political and economic interference is up, productivity is down, consumer purchasing power is down…

 

[dimsum]

The tariffs are a threat to Canada to gets its National Security in order. That is what they are and that is their purpose.

I would normally agree, but he is selling to Americans not as what you guys are arguing, but to lower prices in the US. It won’t, because of the economic reasons we’re talking about, but those are two fundamentally different reasons for imposing tariffs.
I live here, and (unfortunately) I watch Fox News more than I’d like to admit, since it’s on in the JOC alongside CNN. “Trump tariffs lowering prices” was part of their line before the election.

I already stated that above. The US doesn't care if they are hurt somewhat by it because it hurts us more than them. They hold all the cards and they want something from us so this is their way of getting it.

I'm not concerned with what politicians say or the crazy things they do. I am concerned with achieving a consensus in negotiations that is mutually beneficial to both parties.

How do you achieve a consensus if the two parties aren’t even arguing the same things? It’s one thing if the US is only doing this to force CAN / MEX to strengthen their borders. That, CAN and MEX and theoretically do and the US would be happy.

But if, as I said, Trump is telling CAN / MEX one thing but the US another? CAN / MEX strengthens their border, but US prices don’t lower. Then what? Tariffs as he promised Americans to “lower the prices”, which end up raising them instead, with the added bonus of retaliatory tariffs by CAN and MEX.

 

[Good2Golf]

I would normally agree, but he is selling to Americans not as what you guys are arguing, but to lower prices in the US. It won’t, because of the economic reasons we’re talking about, but those are two fundamentally different reasons for imposing tariffs.

Both can be true at the same time.

 

[brihard]

That's good for your bottom line Brihard and I wouldn't be upset about this if I were you.

My personal opinion is that the Opiate problem is a scourge on our society. It is getting worse, not better and the programs we have put in place have not worked.

Something must be done about this. The Criminals taking advantage of our most vulnerable need to have the hammer swung against them.

In other words, "unleash the hounds" and time to take a real hard line against this.

As someone who lost a family member to Fentanyl, I agree.

I’m on the national security investigations side and will be staying there (and I mean NS in a narrower sense than you do), so I’m already set- there’s always good career growth in NS if you’re good at your job and want it. We’re growing somewhat already, but those who are REALLY going to be advantaged in this in a way they weren’t already are those with aspirations of making their career in border integrity work, and in a position to take leadership roles there.

For us under federal policing we have a few different business lines- NS, border integrity, cybercrime, transnational and serious organized crime, financial crime… There’s of course overlap (the divide between NS and everything else is the most pronounced split), but the business lines of a unit will generally determine the thrust of its investigations.

 

[Good2Golf]

NS/NLI will become huge…in large part due to external pressure, not the GoC’s own enlightenment.

 

[brihard]

NS/NLI will become huge…in large part due to external pressure, not the GoC’s own enlightenment.

Sorry, NLI?

 

[Kirkhill]

November 17th

Trudeau committed to three-way trade talks despite calls to drop Mexico from Ontario, Alberta

Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith have called for Canada to go it alone in talks with the incoming Trump administration

toronto.citynews.ca

November 20th

Canada’s premiers want Justin Trudeau to do a trade deal with the U.S. that excludes Mexico, Doug Ford says

Ford noted Ontario does two-way trade with the U.S. worth $493 billion annually compared with $40 billion of trade with Mexico.

www.thestar.com

November 21st

Mexico’s president says Trudeau told her Canada doesn’t agree with cutting her country out of USMCA

Claudia Sheinbaum dismissed threats by Canadian politicians to eject Mexico from the trade pact as little more than electioneering

www.theglobeandmail.com

November 23rd

Canada’s Plan for U.S. Trade Talks: Throw Mexico Under the Bus​

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has suggested his country could cut a deal with the U.S. without Mexico​

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/canada-us-trade-talks-mexico-trump-85d29dbc

November 23rd

Afraid of losing the U.S.-Canada trade pact, Mexico alters its laws and removes Chinese parts

Mexico has been taking a bashing lately for allegedly serving as a conduit for Chinese parts and products into North America, and officials here are afraid a re-elected Donald Trump or politically struggling Prime Minister Justin Trudeau could try to leave their country out of the...

www.ctvnews.ca

November 25th

Opinion: Canada’s politicians rush to panic in a call to cut Mexico loose

Declaring a plan to abandon Mexico before Donald Trump takes office isn’t wise. Doug Ford’s proposal to ditch them now – unraveling the trilateral CUSMA trade deal that was hard-won in 2018 – is foolish

www.theglobeandmail.com

November 25th

Trump vows to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on all products from Canada, Mexico

Tariffs would stand until both countries crack down on drugs and immigrants entering the U.S. illegally, president-elect says on social media

www.theglobeandmail.com

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Duplicity is its own reward.

The Donald detected weakness and is pressing for wins before he takes office. Mexico already gave him one on Chinese autoparts. Betcha Trudeau is envying her ability to change government policy on a dime.

Meanwhile he has plans to fix irritants, like Defence, 8 years after he is kicked out of office.

And right now he can't get anything through parliament in any case...

Parliament remains gridlocked amid Trump trade talk and postal strike

Parliament closes in on its eighth week of gridlock over a privilege motion, as Canada Post employees are on strike and calls emerge to exclude Mexico from upcoming trade talks.

www.ctvnews.ca

...

There is a deal to be had. But Donald doesn't like or trust Trudeau and Trudeau is hamstrung in any event.

Tom Mulcair: Donald Trump has a long enemies list, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is on it

In his column for CTVNews.ca, former NDP leader Tom Mulcair says Donald Trump's icy relationship with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau could aggravate what already promises to be a very difficult situation for Canada, socially, economically and environmentally.

www.ctvnews.ca

...

What will it take to get Trudeau turfed by his own team?

 

[Good2Golf]

Sorry, NLI?

Sorry, Bri. National-Level Interest. What gets discussed within the Four Corners (PMO/PCO, TB, Finance and PSPC generally with GAC and DOJ on-condition) and above, essentially having significant ramifications for safety and security/prosperity of Canadians.

 

[Remius]

That's good for your bottom line Brihard and I wouldn't be upset about this if I were you.

Sort of. Until someone realizes we need more bodies and an increase in both uniformed and non uniformed types. And given the email we just got it doesn’t look promising without pissing off a lot of people in the process.

My personal opinion is that the Opiate problem is a scourge on our society. It is getting worse, not better and the programs we have put in place have not worked.

Absolutely but I saw a trump Surrogate state that Canada has decriminalize all sorts of hard drugs. Not exactly the truth of that matter but that’s what they are selling to their audience. Those yelling for PS cuts may not be happy that people just get shifted to CBSA, FP and other departments and agencies or that cuts still happen and we can’t do anything about the problem.

Something must be done about this. The Criminals taking advantage of our most vulnerable need to have the hammer swung against them.

In other words, "unleash the hounds" and time to take a real hard line against this.

All for it.

 

[The Bread Guy]

My personal opinion is the approach we should take can be summed up as "Two Nations, One Border" ...

If that's the case, if the current polling is to be believed, maybe the next Team Blue PM, who says more should be done re: "real, common-sense laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals" (as opposed to legally-held-and-stored firearms), will be happy to press southwards on all those illegal firearms coming from the U.S. (92% of those sent back by Canada to the ATF for tracing), no? Not to mention all those drugs transiting through the U.S. into Canada.

... Then again, I also disagree with our position on issues like the Northwest Passage being Internal Waters as opposed to an International Strait ...

If we could enforce it, that would be different. Now ... not so much.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

If that's the case, if the current polling is to be believed, maybe the next Team Blue PM, who says more should be done re: "real, common-sense laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals" (as opposed to legally-held-and-stored firearms), will be happy to press southwards on all those illegal firearms coming from the U.S. (92% of those sent back by Canada to the ATF for tracing), no? Not to mention all those drugs transiting through the U.S. into Canada.

I am pro responsible firearms ownership. Responsible meaning: licensing, proper storage, proper certification, training and stiff penalties/punishment for those who break the law.

I also believe that our national service rifle should be a non-restricted firearm.

If we could enforce it, that would be different. Now ... not so mumuch.

Infrastructure investments North of 60 could be a great nation building project. It's going to eventually happen so it's better if it happens on our terms.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I am pro responsible firearms ownership. Responsible meaning: licensing, proper storage, proper certification, training and stiff penalties/punishment for those who break the law.

Agree 1000%. Potential next PM, though, says he wants to do something to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys, so let's see how it goes if/when he wins.

... Infrastructure investments North of 60 could be a great nation building project. It's going to eventually happen so it's better if it happens on our terms.

For sure. Easy? No. Critical for sustainability? Yup.

 

[Remius]

Any infrastructure investment would be good at this point. And tie it to defence. Building functional armouries and permanent installations up north to allow 365 day coverage up north would be an easy way. It’s all needed and wanted and infrastructure building can stimulate economies