Yes. Vaccum…fat fingers
CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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You’re right. I apologize for that. I should have separated that out from you and been more general to “those who would think of them as…”
Canada is being hoisted *on its own petard after letting another nation actively attack the integrity of a broad range of public and private institutions, and fail to realize when it is being held to account by another, and then spends more energy pivoting its effort onto those holding it to account point through a variety of tools at their disposal including economic pressure.
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We have always been working against the force of gravity, dragging trade North and South. The old red world of John A, the one built on tariffs, survived until WW2 (arguably until Britain joined the EEC and left the Commonwealth).
We can resurrect those east west connections even if we aren't focusing on Australia and London anymore. Japan to Finland perhaps. India to Turkiye as a possibility.
Diversify but become a lot more self-reliant.
We can do that and still remain on friendly terms with the neighbours to the south.
We can resurrect those east west connections even if we aren't focusing on Australia and London anymore. Japan to Finland perhaps. India to Turkiye as a possibility.
Diversify but become a lot more self-reliant.
We can do that and still remain on friendly terms with the neighbours to the south.
Trump himself is a catalyst, and sort of an ideological centre of gravity. He holds considerable political power in his own right, but I think more importantly for Canada he has kicked the door wide open to enable an ideological takeover of America’s politics by a lot of pretty hard right America-first isolationists. He’ll just ham-fistedly say and do things that kick previously quiet and extreme notions out into the open and get people talking about them.
There are a lot of people who truly do believe in some God-given American exceptionalism, and who have no regard for any of the previously established systems or norms. Trump’s election is embedding them in cabinet and in senior administration roles. We need to recognize that this is a phenomenon that will outlast the man himself and his presidency when it ends in four years. The danger that Canada now faces is not going to decline if the Republicans choose a successor along the same ideological bent. This is an abrupt generational shift in the right wing of America’s political.
Canada’s sovereignty, both economic and physical, is of no intrinsic value to many of them. We’re going to have to work hard to keep it.
There are a lot of people who truly do believe in some God-given American exceptionalism, and who have no regard for any of the previously established systems or norms. Trump’s election is embedding them in cabinet and in senior administration roles. We need to recognize that this is a phenomenon that will outlast the man himself and his presidency when it ends in four years. The danger that Canada now faces is not going to decline if the Republicans choose a successor along the same ideological bent. This is an abrupt generational shift in the right wing of America’s political.
Canada’s sovereignty, both economic and physical, is of no intrinsic value to many of them. We’re going to have to work hard to keep it.
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And on cue, the Laurentians have an answer to our trade woes!
www.theglobeandmail.com
I’m very skeptical that this will work out any better for us.
Opinion: While Trump spurns Canada, China opens the door
Chinese officials have indicated Beijing wants to repair its relationship with Canada to further trade goals
www.theglobeandmail.com
I’m very skeptical that this will work out any better for us.
What’s old is newAnd on cue, the Laurentians have an answer to our trade woes!
Opinion: While Trump spurns Canada, China opens the door
Chinese officials have indicated Beijing wants to repair its relationship with Canada to further trade goals
I’m very skeptical that this will work out any better for us.
Harper's petro-folly: How Canada fumbled its post-Keystone energy vision of a gateway to China
Stephen Harper was in need of a new friend with a big appetite for oil. The Americans just weren’t cutting it
financialpost.com
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I don't think it will just be the Republicans we have to worry about. Biden didn't spend a lot of effort undoing Trump's trade practices. America first is pretty popular right up and down the middle of America. That is one of the things this last election has demonstrated to the Democrats.
And strangely enough, the people that come to America, Black, White, Yellow and Brown, all come because America is America and not their homelands. They want to become Americans and live like Americans, for the most part.
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And yet that last sentence seems to be so difficult for many who recently come to Canada to apply to themselves here in Canada….
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Canada has been chanting diversification for 50 years. Canada has ignored itself and will likely continue to do so.
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It was warm and cosy under the blankets. Maybe we should thank Trump for pulling the covers off.
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The good news is that as a country we're so screwed up that those newcomers are going back home rather than fight our stupidity.
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Canada's great problem - the Brits and the French. The natives don't count. (Or they didn't)
America is all about Americans. Canada is about Anglos and Francos. There is an exploitable fault line here that doesn't exist in America. The Francos have always been determined to re-establish their rightful place. Anybody that wasn't Brit, or better yet was anti-Brit, was welcome.
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Sorry to offend but after about 60 years of observation as an outsider of British origin it feels like a fair observation.
I had a bully when I was kid. Bigger and stronger. He stopped when I punched him in the nose and he fell on his ass. The other kids he was bullying saw that as well and knew what they had to do to get him to stop.
It didn’t stop him from being the biggest and the loudest but he stopped being physical because it wasn’t worth a punch in the face for him.
I have no reason to thank that jerk. But it certainly added to my resiliency tool kit.
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Cuba north.
There little appetite to diversify trade partners. Weve been trying to do it forever. Our new Canadians dont want to trade with their old countries even
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It took me a long time to learn the difference between "Don't fight! (Mum)" and "Don't start a fight! (Dad)".
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Nice story but it won't work for Trump.
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not dont lose?
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I've lost too many fights to worry about those. The ones that bother me are the ones I didn't have.
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All of a sudden the following has become important to the East and laurentian elites again:
Tar sands (plentiful energy)
Western Canada
The CAF
Borders
Immigration control
Patriotism
Integrity in government (no CCP)
Funny that a person (Trump) derided so much by many here has forced the discussion how Canada should grow the fuck up. I wonder if Canada can right the ship? I don’t have my hopes up, based on the attitudes I see. I think we might be too far gone, where misplaced ego and an ingrained anti American sentiment will play to our demise.
The US smells blood and may not settle for half arsed attempts to untuck ourselves and it may be that it will economically wreck us until we have no choice but to seek statehood. That would be quite the achievement. First, the greatest political come back in history, and second doubling the land mass of America and making it the greatest uncontested economic and military super power of all time.
Tar sands (plentiful energy)
Western Canada
The CAF
Borders
Immigration control
Patriotism
Integrity in government (no CCP)
Funny that a person (Trump) derided so much by many here has forced the discussion how Canada should grow the fuck up. I wonder if Canada can right the ship? I don’t have my hopes up, based on the attitudes I see. I think we might be too far gone, where misplaced ego and an ingrained anti American sentiment will play to our demise.
The US smells blood and may not settle for half arsed attempts to untuck ourselves and it may be that it will economically wreck us until we have no choice but to seek statehood. That would be quite the achievement. First, the greatest political come back in history, and second doubling the land mass of America and making it the greatest uncontested economic and military super power of all time.
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I think your close but I think that the US had a fault line as well but those on one side to the line haven’t been given the advantages that the French in Quebec had - a true place of their own. The US fault line runs across parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into area of California, it’s the Latino fault line. It’s been there just as long as the French fault line. But they never had a Sir Guy Carlton write them laws guaranteeing them language, religion and government rights when they become part of the US.
