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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

I think your close but I think that the US had a fault line as well but those on one side to the line haven’t been given the advantages that the French in Quebec had - a true place of their own. The US fault line runs across parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into area of California, it’s the Latino fault line. It’s been there just as long as the French fault line. But they never had a Sir Guy Carlton write them laws guaranteeing them language, religion and government rights when they become part of the US.

The Latino population was never empowered as a separate entity the way the Franco population was.
 
All of a sudden the following has become important to the East and laurentian elites again:

Tar sands (plentiful energy)
Western Canada
The CAF
Borders
Immigration control
Patriotism
Integrity in government (no CCP)

Funny that a person (Trump) derided so much by many here has forced the discussion how Canada should grow the fuck up. I wonder if Canada can right the ship? I don’t have my hopes up, based on the attitudes I see. I think we might be too far gone, where misplaced ego and an ingrained anti American sentiment will play to our demise.

The US smells blood and may not settle for half arsed attempts to untuck ourselves and it may be that it will economically wreck us until we have no choice but to seek statehood. That would be quite the achievement. First, the greatest political come back in history, and second doubling the land mass of America and making it the greatest uncontested economic and military super power of all time.
Your fantasy porn isn’t happening. There is no appetite to become American except for disciples of the orange messiah that can’t put their own country first. I’d be happy to expedite their migration out.
 
Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.
 
Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.
no argument there
 
The Latino population was never empowered as a separate entity the way the Franco population was.
Correct - that is why I said they never had a Sir Guy Carlton but there is still fault line in the US, not national but a regional one in the areas that I mentioned.
There are more Latino speakers in the US than the entire population of Canada and that trend will continue. Sooner or later it will reach a tipping point….
 
Your fantasy porn isn’t happening. There is no appetite to become American except for disciples of the orange messiah that can’t put their own country first. I’d be happy to expedite their migration out.
Frankly it’s people with attitudes like yours that have lead us to this point. Your ignorance is on display. The premise of the things I listed should be important, valued, and protected all the time… not as tools of convenience.
 
Frankly it’s people with attitudes like yours that have lead us to this point. Your ignorance is on display. The premise of the things I listed should be important, valued, and protected all the time… not as tools of convenience.
No dummy. The part about being annexed. The part you hope happens. Probably because actually migrating would be too hard for you.

Your disloyalty is on display.
 
Now he's even got the ketchup guys mad at him ;)

Kraft Heinz hits back at what it called Trudeau's 'misleading' comment about its Canadian ketchup​

Food giant says it is proud that its ketchup is 'made in Canada, by Canadians, using Canadian tomatoes'​


A ketchup giant is seeing red after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up its past exit from Canada while discussing a potential Canada-U.S. trade war.

Speaking with reporters after a Wednesday meeting with the premiers, Trudeau urged consumers to seek out Canadian-made products to avoid U.S. imports that could soon be more costly because of retaliatory tariffs.

"That's why we will look, as we have in the past, at things that have replacements for Canadian consumers that wouldn't be tariffed," Trudeau said. "The example from last time was Heinz's ketchup being replaced by French's ketchup because French's was still using Canadian tomatoes in its ketchup."

 
Now he's even got the ketchup guys mad at him ;)

Kraft Heinz hits back at what it called Trudeau's 'misleading' comment about its Canadian ketchup​

Food giant says it is proud that its ketchup is 'made in Canada, by Canadians, using Canadian tomatoes'​


A ketchup giant is seeing red after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau brought up its past exit from Canada while discussing a potential Canada-U.S. trade war.

Speaking with reporters after a Wednesday meeting with the premiers, Trudeau urged consumers to seek out Canadian-made products to avoid U.S. imports that could soon be more costly because of retaliatory tariffs.

"That's why we will look, as we have in the past, at things that have replacements for Canadian consumers that wouldn't be tariffed," Trudeau said. "The example from last time was Heinz's ketchup being replaced by French's ketchup because French's was still using Canadian tomatoes in its ketchup."

They did at one time shut down their Canadian operations, which is why French's makes the "made from Canadian mustard/tomatoes" prominent on their labels.

Fuck Heinz, they backed out until their competitor made them look silly. I still buy French's mustard and ketchup.
 
Berkshire Hathaway (Warren Buffet) bought Heinz Canada(Leamington) in 2013. Shut it down in 2014. It reopened some months later under Highbury Canco and resumed production. They produce 200+ Heinz products based on an agreement renegotiated every 5 years.

Both trudeau and Heinz are telling truth without telling the truth.
 
Your fantasy porn isn’t happening. There is no appetite to become American except for disciples of the orange messiah that can’t put their own country first. I’d be happy to expedite their migration out.

Ask Albertans and it's got nothing to do with Trump. Sometimes you can only kick a dog so many times before it bites and runs away. Don't let your immense dislike for Trump blind you to reality.
 
I think your close but I think that the US had a fault line as well but those on one side to the line haven’t been given the advantages that the French in Quebec had - a true place of their own. The US fault line runs across parts of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and into area of California, it’s the Latino fault line. It’s been there just as long as the French fault line. But they never had a Sir Guy Carlton write them laws guaranteeing them language, religion and government rights when they become part of the US.
The US has had numerous fault lines.... they just settle them, one way or another....

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Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.

Our national gas lighting internationalist man baby's legacy:

Lorne Gunter: Trudeau policies undermine Canada's ability to endure threatened Trump tariffs​

Of course, U.S. President Donald Trump is a bully who’s trying to take advantage of our weaknesses. But who made us so weak and vulnerable in the first place? The Trudeau Liberals

Remember when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there was “no business case” for building a pipeline, refinery and marine terminal to take Canadian LNG (liquefied natural gas) to Germany? And later he said the same about LNG to Japan?

Imagine if Canada had two LNG ports now, one on the East Coast to take gas to Europe and another on the West Coast to take more to Asian markets. The pain of any U.S. tariffs would be lessened.

And imagine if Trudeau hadn’t killed two oil pipelines — Northern Gateway and Energy East. Those could have taken Alberta oil to markets other than the U.S. If those pipelines already existed, then if Trump decides to make our oil so expense U.S. refineries don’t want to buy it, Canada would already have options.

And if Trudeau and Steven Guilbeault, the high priest of Trudeau’s eco-cult, hadn’t banned tankers full of Alberta oil from sailing off the West Coast, and hadn’t killed more than $300 billion in new convention oil and oilsands developments, perhaps we’d have more international markets and thus more flexibility in dealing with the Americans.

But because Trudeau, Guilbeault and the rest of the Liberals have done all they could in the past decade to sacrifice Canada’s energy industry on the altar of environmental extremism, 97 per cent of our oil exports now go to the U.S. So (no pun intended), Trump has us over a barrel. We have few good options to shelter Canada’s economy and standard of living from punitive American sanctions.

Of course, U.S. President Donald Trump is a bully who’s trying to take advantage of our weaknesses. But who made us so weak and vulnerable in the first place?

In addition to making us wholly dependent on American energy markets, their regulations, taxes and policies have lowered Canadian productivity drastically. They have slowed our economic growth until it is practically nonexistent.

Inflation, caused by their overspending, has made the cost of necessities soar and badly damaged our standard of living. Their insane immigration policies have lowered our per capital GDP for nearly three years in a row, while at the same time spiking housing prices and overburdening our health-care system.

And their signature policy — the carbon tax — has simply made life more expensive while doing little or nothing to reduce emissions.

Now, after all this Liberal-caused devastation, what is Trudeau’s response to Trump’s threat of 25 per cent tariffs on all Canadian goods? Buy French’s ketchup! French’s is made with Ontario tomatoes. Heinz uses American ones.

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trudeau actually cited the French’s ketchup alternative as an example of how Canadians might combat Trump’s tariffs. “Having Canadian consumers have alternatives to having to spend tariffs on American imports is part of how we make sure Canadians don’t bear undue costs around tariffs.”

 
Ask Albertans and it's got nothing to do with Trump. Sometimes you can only kick a dog so many times before it bites and runs away. Don't let your immense dislike for Trump blind you to reality.
Well aware of Albertans grievances. If Albertans want to separate and join the US as Puerto Rico North there is a process they can follow to do so. That doesn’t mean the rest of us have to follow or enable that COA.

Don’t let your immense love for trump blind yours either.
 
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Comment on the whole: If only Canadians put as much effort into pressuring their own Government to deal with a stealthy yet destructive effort to compromise the country’s institutions and security by a silent adversary.
you have to have it affect your own pocketbook first.
 
you have to have it affect your own pocketbook first.
The danger being the foreign interference/influence becoming irreversible before enough Canadians feel it in their wallet…
 
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