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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

This is a good article... we've got lots of fibre, I see the 'lack of vision' she mentions play out alot ...


Canada’s Forestry Sector: Born on Third Base, Hampered by Policy​



The enormity of Canada’s forest resource is hard to overstate. We have 234.5 million hectares of commercial forests, of which only 0.4% is harvested each year. Unlike other jurisdictions globally, deforestation (the permanent clearing of forest to make way for non-forest use) is a minor issue here, accounting for only 0.02% of our forest. We account for only a third of a percentage point of global deforestation despite having almost a tenth of the world’s forests.

Canada also has 35% of the world’s certified forest area, a term to describe third-party sustainable management standards. Increasingly, these are administered by Indigenous Peoples, whose management of forest resources has increased 135% since 2003. Canada competes on both quantity and quality.

Yet despite the big numbers, and a highly profitable 2021 thanks to a COVID-era construction and renovation boom, the Canadian forestry sector has spent much of the 21st century on the back foot. The softwood lumber disputes, pine beetle and other infestations, wildfires, and regulatory burdens have all diminished the sector’s ability to compete and grow. While the value of Canada’s forest sector is still increasing, our production volumes and global market share are in decline. Between 2013 and 2022, Canada’s share of global softwood lumber production declined from 13% to 10% by volume. Canada’s share of global wood pulp production (mechanical, semi-mechanical, and chemical) declined from 10% to 4% over the same period.

This is not due to a lack of demand but rather a lack of vision. As an economic sector, forestry is not a 19th or 20th century phenomenon. It is foundational to construction and housing, and a solution to many of our low-emissions material needs. Other nations have thriving forest sectors, even as ours slowly diminishes. A key difference is a lack of policy support. In Canada, the forestry sector is the victim of, at best, inattention, and at worst, obstruction.

25 years ago starting out in this industry there was lots of talk about BC/Ontario opportunities and Europe was the role model in terms of volume produced/hectare. The New Zealand pine and Australian eucalyptus was moving to South America for high volume/short rotation plantation based mills being built - often by European companies - at new ports specifically designed to export their product. And when you're producing pulp wood in 20 years within 30 minutes of the shipping port on a pure volume basis it's very tough for Canadian pulp products at 100 year rotations to compete.

There are some big differences in quality of product produced which due to the slower growth means much of the Canadian pulp, and lumber, tends to be stronger but for many products you don't need to use this quality of product. You don't need to use tenderloin to make chili.

Unfortunately as BC consolidated many of their smaller mills - the 250,000 m3 to 500,000m3 mills due to mix of market conditions and the mountain pine beetle annual allowable cut changes industry also woke up to the opportunities that were coming online in the SE USA. All the 1930's great depression employment scheme tree planting projects are now 90 years old...and large opportunities existed for cheap mature wood, without tariffs, and close to markets. No longer do you need to arrange 1,000 km truck hauls to a port/railway terminal to ship to customer...instead mill a lower quality product in their backyard and ship almost direct from the mill. And the Canadian profits flowed to these areas (Europe in a couple of cases) - West Fraser now produces 53% of their lumber in the SE states as the largest Canadian producer of lumber.

So what are some of the big differences. In Europe due to the intensive management - with the same species - forests are often thinned 2-3 times removing poor performing trees/reducing competition to allow for optimal growth. This generates a large amount of small diameter wood that is in turn used for pulp or power generation. But it's also important to note that the shipping distances are generally much shorter to ports/railheads and hauling pulpwood 8 hours one way (northern Ontario) doesn't happen. In Canada there are few destinations available for smaller trees so they are not removed and while this allows for a more natural forest it also doesn't grow as fast...which means you need more area and higher hauling costs. Some of this is slowly changing with the additional co-gen plants and wood pellet plants built in the last 20 years but these are often in partnership with the pulp/sawmill and are co-dependent upon the other facility operating unlike stand alone facilities in Europe. Railways, highways (especially bridge weights), loading terminals all remain bottlenecks on shipping.

There has also been major policy changes in almost every province due to concerns over species at risk (woodland caribou for example or Spotted Owls on the BC coast) that have brought in large amounts of uncertainty. Especially when multiple industries overlap the same areas and both Federal/Provincial direction is at odds. Old growth targets in BC. Legislation changes focused upon conservation. When you're planning 70-100 year wood supplies a stable situation is needed....but people don't stay the same, the population doesn't stay the same, and nature sure doesn't. Much of the European or SE states wood is via private lands/woodlots and is a big difference from Canadian Crown owned lands.

Then add in things like mountain pine beetle and major fires...doesn't take long to decimate a local wood supply with a major fire. When you start thinking of multiple helicopter fuel cycles to circle a burning fire or driving for up to an hour through a single burn...you start to sense the impact. Valleys full of dead trees in BC/Jasper National Park due to mountain Pine beetle.

I'm often recall an old Ontario government report that was looking at trying to provide recreation opportunities for Ontario residents (from memory ~30 years ago). From a policy context they wanted X percent of lands in provincial parks - south, NE and NW Ontario. But when they looked at the southern zone the areas available were often needed to purchased back (i.e. expensive) or smaller isolated parcels (and big parks were the goal)...so they took some of the "south" allotment and added the lands to NE. Then when working on the NE segment (Sault Ste. Marie east) they found they were still over the balance and shifted some of the lands again to the NW. End result was a series of new parks across the province - achieving the goal - but the user numbers didn't align with expectations. No kidding...a park designed for Toronto residents is going to be low use if it's North of Kenora 20 hours drive away in NW Ontario. Good intentions...bad implementation.

Lots of coffee needed to come up with solutions but part of it is capital investment barriers, some is policy barriers, some is infrastructure, and part of it is culturally. You don't hear of Canadians taking holidays to go tree planting on the family woodlot like they do in Europe. How to change those positions is a huge challenge and not an overnight process.
 
And then there is a small country of 10.54 million, built on hard rock and muskeg, with nothing but an iron deposit and a bunch of trees going for it. It is surrounded by water but regularly ice bound.


The forestry industry is of great importance to the Swedish economy. It employs a total of 140,000 people across the country, which corresponds to two percent of the total number of people employed in Sweden.

In addition to the wood products, pulp and paper industry, the forest-based industry also includes forestry. The largest number of people employed is in the pulp and paper industry. The industry is present all over Sweden and has great regional importance.

The forest raw material is mostly domestic and the import of industrial products is relatively small. Therefore, the forest-based industry makes a large contribution to Sweden's trade balance.

The forest-based industry accounts for 9-12 percent of Swedish industry's total employment, exports, turnover and value added.

Sweden makes money from selling trees. It makes money from selling chip board. It makes money from selling Ikea furniture. It makes money from selling Tetra Pak cartons (made from pulp - and every carton costs the packager about a dollar - generated all over the world).

Sweden also makes money from selling the equipment necessary to manufacture all those products. And ball bearings, and heat exchangers, and centrifuges, and steel itself. And food processing equipment, and supplies for marine industries and oil and gas. And of course their own cars, and jets and tractors and snow vehicles and trucks and AFVs and radars and phones and guns and rockets and missiles and explosives and ships and subs...

As of recent data, Sweden currently has a trade surplus, meaning they export more goods than they import, with a positive balance of trade; this surplus is typically attributed to their strong export sector in manufactured goods like vehicles, machinery, and pharmaceuticals.

Key points about Sweden's balance of trade:
  • Positive balance: Sweden generally records a trade surplus, indicating they export more goods than they import.

  • Recent trend: The trade surplus has been decreasing slightly in recent quarters.

  • Major export goods: Vehicles, machinery, pharmaceuticals

  • Major trading partners: Germany, Norway, Denmark, United States, Finland


50-50 men and women employed in all sectors.
~70% in the private sector
~30% in the public sector (local and central)

~7% in the central government
~22% at the local level
 
And because this is the site it is....


People engaged in military training are considered gainfully employed and a net benefit to the state. Just as much as students and apprentices are.
 
And because this is the site it is....


People engaged in military training are considered gainfully employed and a net benefit to the state. Just as much as students and apprentices are.

Mainly because they have a small population and are within a day's drive of Russia...

 
And more importantly, this ...

Calling on men and women to serve and potentially die for their country requires a particularly strong social contract between the state and its citizens. Governments that hope to garner support for conscription must consistently engage citizens in discussions on national security threats and make a convincing case for why their country is worth defending. There are two necessary elements here: citizens must agree that there is a real and present sense of potential threat, and they must believe in the idea of the country they are asked to fight for. Arguments claiming that conscription could provide aimless youth with a purpose should not lose sight of the fact that agreeing to go to war requires a sense of purpose in the first place. This sense of purpose, in turn, can be connected to voters’ trust in institutions and the state. In countries where a general loss of confidence in the political center is driving populism, conscription would likely face headwinds. Finland is often hailed as the gold standard for defense willingness; last year, 79 percent of poll respondents answered in the affirmative when asked, “If Finland were attacked, should Finns, in your opinion, take up arms to defend themselves in all situations, even if the outcome seemed uncertain?”

Danes are proud of their little country. As are the Swedes.

The Brits?

In the United Kingdom, a third of survey respondents aged eighteen to forty said they would refuse to serve in the armed forces even if Britain were facing imminent invasion. In a follow-up poll that examined why Britons would refuse to serve if called up, respondents indicated an unwillingness to fight for the elite, a lack of patriotism to risk their life for their country, as well as ideological and religious qualms.

As of June 2023, around 18% of people in England and Wales were born outside of the UK. This is equivalent to about 11.4 million people.
In 2022 17.8% of Scotland's population aged between 20 and 39 were born outside the UK. But the overall percentage of people born outside the UK is still relatively small (10.2%)
About 23% of Canadians were born outside of Canada, according to the 2021 census. This is the highest percentage of immigrants in Canada in over 150 years.

According to data from the Danish Civil Registration System, approximately 10.4% of people living in Denmark were born outside of the country.
According to the latest data from Statistics Finland, around 9.6% of the Finnish population is born outside of Finland.

Sweden will be a more interesting test case because the population has changed from a Danish-style population to a Canadian-style population during the period between the abolition of conscription and the re-introduction of conscription.

As of 2020, the percentage of inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 25.9 percent


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In the UK 33% of the military age population would refuse to fight even if the country were being invaded.
In the UK 18% of the military age population was born elsewhere.

Just passing through...

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What is a nation?
 
In the UK 33% of the military age population would refuse to fight even if the country were being invaded.
In the UK 18% of the military age population was born elsewhere.

Turning those numbers around a bit with a couple of big assumptions:

In the UK 33% of the military age population would refuse to fight even if the country were being invaded.
Therefore 67% of the military age population would NOT refuse to fight?

In the UK 33% of the military age population would refuse to fight even if the country were being invaded.
In the UK 18% of the military age population was born elsewhere.
Therefore 15% of the military age population born in the UK would refuse to fight?

Suggestion:

Of the 82% of the military age population (67+15) that were born in the UK
18% (15/82) would refuse to fight

So, a testable hypothesis, depending on how you slice it 70-80% of the population would be prepared to take up arms. And some of the rest would be prepared to assist if they didn't have to take up arms.

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That suggests a good chunk of the population feeling invested in their country.

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Is this analogous?

Varcoe: 'A moment or a movement' — Canadian support for sea-to-sea pipelines near 80% amid threat of Trump tariffs

91 per cent of respondents think Canada needs to reduce its reliance on the U.S. as a trading partner

Everyone agrees Canada should spend more on defence. How do we pay for it?​

The provinces calling for higher defence spending might not like where Ottawa finds the money​

 
Ms. Kishchuk included questions around Canadian identity in Abacus’s regular bi-weekly poll two weeks ago, at which time 80 per cent of people agreed with the statement, “I feel connected to a greater Canadian identity,” and nearly 40 per cent strongly agreed. Less than two weeks later, even with the polling unfinished, she was already seeing those numbers jump by up to 10 per cent.

“That’s a huge swing for 10 days, and it’s that intensity of agreement,” she said. “I think we’re really seeing a shift toward, ‘Maybe we do have an identity, and maybe it’s worth fighting for.‘”

 
Further to Denmark

Denmark’s strict immigration policies resulted in the granting of 860 asylum requests last year, the lowest number bar 2020, when Covid-19 lockdowns halted new arrivals.

Denmark’s immigration approach has been influenced by Right-wing parties for more than 20 years, with Mette Frederiksen, the prime minister and leader of the centre-Left Social Democrats, pursuing a “zero refugee” policy since coming to power in 2019.

The country of around six million people received 2,300 asylum requests last year.

“Last year, authorities granted the smallest number of residency permits to asylum seekers that we have seen in recent years,” Kaare Dybvad Bek, the immigration minister, said, calling the figure “historic”.

Home Office figures showed that the UK, which has a population more than 10 times that of Denmark, granted a total of 67,978 asylum claims in the year to June 2024 – more than triple the 21,436 in the previous year.

 
Further to: "There is no business case".


This was back in April of last year.

In 2025 and 2026, 180 carriers with a total of 32 million cubic metres (m3) of shipping capacity are projected to be delivered – 28% of the capacity in operation in 2023. While there were 64 orders for LNG carriers in 2023, the first five months of 2024 alone saw 55 new orders placed and since the report's cutoff date of May 2024, another 27 have been added.


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The Net Zero brigade is declaring all of these to be surplus to requirement. Apparently some people are inclined to bet against Net Zero. And bet big.
 
A list of Double Acting Ships, built on the same principle as the Svalbard - conventional bow for navigating open water, reinforced stern with azipod drive for navigating ice in reverse. Typical ice thickness of 1-2 meters. Aker Arctic is behind virtually all of the designs.

A Canadian opportunity lost.

LNG carriers for cold environments
Early Arctic pilot projects in the mid-1970s
aimed at transporting LNG from the
Canadian Arctic to elsewhere in North
America and to Europe. Relatively large
and high ice class ships were designed
and proposed by Finnish companies. In
the beginning of the 1980s, some US
companies issued plans even for Arctic
submarine LNG vessels. None of those
plans came true and the development for
arctic LNG vessels was halted for
decades.

A breakthrough for LNG transportation
in cold areas came when two production
projects for LNG shipments began: the
Snöhvit project in Norway (2007) and the
Russian Sakhalin II LNG project on the island
of Sakhalin (2009). Both were the first largescale
national LNG projects in areas with
winter conditions. As a result, several ice
class 1C Moss-type LNG carriers were built to
serve the projects.

First Arctic LNG designs with the
double acting icebreaking concept
For a long time, it has been known that
there are vast natural resources of oil
and gas in the Arctic regions.
Apart from the earlier Canadian LNG
projects, a new era of interest in Arctic
gas resources arose at the beginning of
this century. The first concept ideas
were drafted for Moss-type Arctic
carriers in early 2000, but eventually the
growing interest in LNG exports from the
Arctic stimulated Aker Arctic to start
developing a solution for LNG
shipments. The first Arctic class DAS™
ship Norilsk Nickel was designed and
built in Helsinki while large LNG Carriers
were on the drawing board.

“In 2004, Aker Arctic kicked-off a large
development programme which aimed to
introduce a vessel design that would be
able to bring LNG from the Arctic to the
markets,” says Mr Reko-Antti Suojanen,
Managing Director, for Aker Arctic. The
final outcome was a three-propeller
double acting vessel concept, which also
utilised the special new solution of the
Integrated Hull Structure (IHS), which
provided easy winterisation solutions as
well as a stronger hull and savings in the
steel weight.

“As the double acting concept was
already a proven solution, we decided to
use a bulbous bow form for these
vessels and thus provide the maximum
effectivity in open sea navigation, which
in any case is used in many of these
carriers,” says Suojanen.
The design was called the Aker Arctic
206,000m³, and it was equipped with five
tanks (see picture below). Cost estimates
for the vessel and economic calculations
showed that the transportation cost and
the reliability of LNG shipments would be
highly suitable for the markets. The
average speed of the vessel would be
sufficient even in the harshest mid-winter
conditions from the Kara Sea to the
European or North-American markets.
The Yamal peninsula was known for its
vast gas reserves, and at that time
Khrasevey was considered the best place
for a port and LNG liquefaction facility.

Arctic LNG carriers for Yamal LNG
During the past years, the works related
to Arctic LNG Carriers have focused on
making plans become reality. From 2010,
Aker Arctic has worked for the Yamal
LNG company supporting its
development project to design LNGcarriers
and related port infrastructure
and a port fleet for transporting natural
gas from Sabetta to the markets
elsewhere in the world.

“We have been extremely happy to
see our long-term development,
persistent work, new ideas and ships
finally come true. It has been fantastic to
work with our clients who have displayed
an innovative attitude and the rock solid
expertise, which will make LNG
transports from the Arctic happen,” says
Suojanen.

Regarding ships for the Yamal LNG
project, a series of 170,000 m³ sized
Arctic LNG carriers that will carry gas to
Europe and the Far East from the Yamal
peninsula was proposed. The project
stakeholders made the selection for the
potential builder and the membrane tank
concept.




RoethelsteinDASIcebreaker400 tonnes42 m
ArcticaborgDASOSV2043 tons65 m
AntarcticaborgDASOSV2043 tons65 m
ProsperoDASTanker18119 tons DWT167 m
Bro SinceroDASTanker18119 tons DWT167 m
TemperaDASTanker106208 tons DWT252 m
SvalbardDASOPV6375 tonnes104 m
MasteraDASTanker106208 tons DWT252 m
EvincoDASTanker19999 tons DWT155 m
MackinawDASMPV3500 tons73 m
SakhalinDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
EndeavourDASOSV
EnterpriseDASOSV
EnduranceDASOSV
Norilskiy Nickel 1DASCargo648 TEU-20169 m
Vasily DinkovDASTanker93515 tons257 m
ExcelloDASTanker19999 tons DWT155 m
Kapitan GotskyDASTanker93515 tons257 m
Norilskiy Nickel 2DASCargo648 TEU-20169 m
Norilskiy Nickel 3DASCargo648 TEU-20169 m
Norilskiy Nickel 4DASCargo648 TEU-20169 m
Norilskiy Nickel 5DASCargo648 TEU-20169 m
Timofey GuzhenkoDASTanker93515 tons257 m
Kirill LavrovDASTanker70000 tons DWT257 m
Mikhail UlyanovDASTanker70000 tons DWT257 m
EniseyDASTanker18500 tons DWT169 m
Vitus BeringDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Aleksey ChirikovDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Shturman Albanov 1DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Shturman Albanov 2DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Shturman Albanov 3DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Shturman Albanov 4DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Shturman Albanov 5DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Shturman Albanov 6DASTanker42000 tons DWT249 m
Christophe de Margerie 1DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 2DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 3DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 4DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 5DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 6DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 7DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 8DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 9DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 10DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 11DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 12DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 13DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 14DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 15DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Christophe de Margerie 16DASTanker80200 tons DWT299 m
Gennadiy NevelskoyDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Stepan MakarovDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Fedor UshakovDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Mikhail LazarevDASOSV9980 tonnes99 m
Aleksandr SannikovDASIcebreaker13200 tonnes122 m
Andrey VilkitskiyDASIcebreaker13201 tonnes122 m
Viktor ChernomyrdinDASIcebreaker22000 tonnes147 m

 
Then when working on the NE segment (Sault Ste. Marie east) they found they were still over the balance and shifted some of the lands again to the NW. End result was a series of new parks across the province - achieving the goal - but the user numbers didn't align with expectations. No kidding...a park designed for Toronto residents is going to be low use if it's North of Kenora 20 hours drive away in NW Ontario. Good intentions...bad implementation.
Then they started closing serviced (non-wilderness) parks because they weren't being used and the Ministry didn't want to pay to staff them.

A bit of a bright light in the Toronto area is the announcement of a new provincial park in the Uxbridge area, starting off by re-designating parcels already owned by the province along with conservation authority lands, as well as expanding the Rouge Valley National Park by using some or all of lands held for the Pickering airport now that the feds have put the idea out of its misery.
 
Further to: "There is no business case".


This was back in April of last year.




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The Net Zero brigade is declaring all of these to be surplus to requirement. Apparently some people are inclined to bet against Net Zero. And bet big.

And an LNG ship costs about $230M?
 
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