CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[McG]

Do the systems, people, and other resources exist in sufficient capacity to deliver on the tariff scheme, or is the boarder going to end-up blocked to commercial traffic?

 

[IKnowNothing]

Probably, but I think the problem is he doesn't actually know what he wants, and seems to change depending on what story he watched last, so it's pretty impossible to satisfy what is essentially a spiteful child in charge of a superpower.

Ha- hence the bingo card.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't.

But I'm pretty convinced that the border stuff is is a just a plausible excuse to test our response on the path to getting what he actually wants.

Which is ?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Do the systems, people, and other resources exist in sufficient capacity to deliver on the tariff scheme, or is the boarder going to end-up blocked to commercial traffic?

In large part it will grind to a halt on both sides. Neither side has the systems or expertise to capture all of this on short notice.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Probably, but I think the problem is he doesn't actually know what he wants, and seems to change depending on what story he watched last, so it's pretty impossible to satisfy what is essentially a spiteful child in charge of a superpower.

On one hand I can imagine him getting his direction from a bunch of bros sitting beside him on a plane like we seen with the 51st state tweet.

On the other hand it could be a calculated move to keep Canada off balanced and wondering what the hell is going on.

 

[JLB50]

Who tf wants to drink american milk?

Also, when gas spikes in the US, because their oil producers rely heavily on heavy crude and it's still cheaper with tariffs than shipping it across the planet, expect there will be a consumer pushback from even the trumpers.

Or the vast majority of cheese from the U.S.? Nor have I been a fan of most of the well-known beers coming out of the states. Mind you, I don’t care for most of the products coming out of Labatt’s or Molson but I do think Canada has a greater diversity of quality beers and ales available for Canadians than exists in the U.S., produced primarily by the independents.

 

[JLB50]

Probably, but I think the problem is he doesn't actually know what he wants, and seems to change depending on what story he watched last, so it's pretty impossible to satisfy what is essentially a spiteful child in charge of a superpower.

The ghostwriter for Trump’s book “The Art of the Deal” refers to him as a “black hole”, a description that’s echoed by others, including his psychologist niece, Mary Trump.

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All

In “The Art of the Deal,” Tony Schwartz helped create the myth that Trump is a charming business genius. Now he calls him unfit to lead.

www.newyorker.com

 

[OldSolduer]

Over the past few years, we’ve seen countless flags, bumper stickers and other visual messages saying “F*CK TRUDEAU”. So where are the comparable “F*CK TRUMP” messages?

I find those messages, bumper stickers etc particularly repugnant and low class. I might think that of both of them, and I may have said those lines, but I now refrain from doing so. Its adding to the problem and promoting "yer fer is er agin us" attitudes.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Which is ?

Hence the guesses a few posts up. It's the opening salvo in completely redefining the relationship between the countries.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Awesome, so after all the complaints against China, he's hitting them with 10% tariffs, but slapping US partners in NAFTA with 25% across the board. I'm not getting a bumper sticker, but F*ck Trump.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I find those messages, bumper stickers etc particularly repugnant and low class. I might think that of both of them, and I may have said those lines, but I now refrain from doing so. Its adding to the problem and promoting "yer fer is er agin us" attitudes.

If somebody put such an anti-trump decal on their vehicle in the BC interior, parts of Saskatchewan or Alberta, they are likely inviting sabotage.

 

[OldSolduer]

If somebody put such an anti-trump decal on their vehicle in the BC interior, parts of Saskatchewan or Alberta, they are likely inviting sabotage.

Which is really funny because he is not our leader.....

 

[Kirkhill]

Hence the guesses a few posts up. It's the opening salvo in completely redefining the relationship between the countries.

You mean among the countries.

Canada is just the test case.

I believe those that assert he wants to get rid of the income tax in the US. The replacement revenue will be tariffs.

The only things up for debate are how much and on what and how much can be raised. A 4 year experiment.

 

[Czech_pivo]

You mean among the countries.

Canada is just the test case.

I believe those that assert he wants to get rid of the income tax in the US. The replacement revenue will be tariffs.

The only things up for debate are how much and on what and how much can be raised. A 4 year experiment.

Colombia was the test case - and they caved in less than 12hrs.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Which is really funny because he is not our leader.....

You wouldn’t be surprised at the millions of people out here who want him to be.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Colombia was the test case - and they caved in less than 12hrs.

Columbia isn't their biggest trading partner with a giant shared border, so I don't think this will go down the same way. Will be shitty though.

 

[Kirkhill]

Colombia was the test case - and they caved in less than 12hrs.

Columbia was a continuation of a known practice against a familiar target. Canada is a different thing. We are the demonstration that what was a weapon used occasionally against opponents is to be re-established as the basis of trade amongst nations, including the friendliest of nations.

Charging mail is an ancient practice.

mail

Scot.

1. monetary payment or tribute, especially rent or tax (or toll).

 

[mariomike]

Colombia, por favor.

 

[Remius]

‘Nothing’ Canada can do to prevent tariffs, says Trump

U.S. President Donald Trump said there is 'nothing' Canada can do to prevent the punishing tariffs expected to be unleashed tomorrow.

www.ctvnews.ca

Oh look, Trump himself says there is nothing that can be done to stop tariffs.

It makes no difference what we do. We are not dealing with a stable ally.

 

[Kirkhill]

‘Nothing’ Canada can do to prevent tariffs, says Trump

U.S. President Donald Trump said there is 'nothing' Canada can do to prevent the punishing tariffs expected to be unleashed tomorrow.

www.ctvnews.ca

Oh look, Trump himself says there is nothing that can be done to stop tariffs.

It makes no difference what we do. We are not dealing with a stable ally.

I agree with you when you take Trump at his word and say there will be tariffs. There is a solid paper trail among his advisors that give credence to his publicly voiced intentions.

What we can do is negotiate how much and what he will accept in mitigation.

Stable? I'd say unpredictable. I think he thinks that is a feature and not a bug.
Ally? Sometimes we have chosen some unique means of demonstrating our affections. Regardless of the government of the day.

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I like Canada even though it doesn't look much like the place I came to in 1966.