CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Remius]

“Can’t” is not a good look, but I get it’s the CAF motto as of late. The best time to start was 15 years ago. The second best time is now.

You mentioned in another thread though when many of those same things were brought up that it was “too late”.

 

[Remius]

Railways -

Already in place.

Useful for transporting lumber, uranium, coal, oil and Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) across Canada to tide water. Dry solids easily transported by sea. Oil is a known quantity. Compressed Natural Gas would require a build out of port facilities to convert it to LNG for shipping.

And Energy East is a heck of a long way round for a short cut. Shortest routes to tide water are via Vancouver/Roberts Bank, Prince Rupert/Kitimat, Churchill/Port Nelson and Moosonee. All served by rail until pipelines can be built.

CNG is a legitimate solution. If we were planning on building a hydrogen economy CNG is considerably easier to manage.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/tourmaline-clean-energy-gas-fuelling-1.7359821

How Is Natural Gas Transported? - Woodway Energy

Understanding how natural gas is transported: From pipelines to LNG carriers, learn the safe transit methods used today.

www.woodwayenergy.com

Thinks can happen very fast if there is the political will to do it.

Cutting back on rail was a mistake. We still have the ability to fix that and invest more in rail at likely a minimal cost.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The best solution would be to make Windsor a more attractive location for manufacturing vehicles than Detroit. And I use the term vehicles with care. Don't compete for cars and trucks. Compete for heavy vehicles and specialty vehicles. For example.

Draw market share away from the US by exporting Oil and Gas and driving the international price down.

Make Canada a more attractive place for investment in our resources. We have the same land area with more resources and only 10% of the people with their hands out wanting their "mail".

Trump has to support 400 million people. Trudeau and Poilievre only have to support 40 million. We only need 10% of the tax revenue to support the same level of payments to individuals.

Just random thought rolling around in my head. Maybe right, maybe wrong.
I remember all the trucks that have been designed and built in Canada for the military. Every one a disaster. Even our military vehicles produced by GDLS, are an overrun of vehicles designed and sold in higher quantities for other countries.

We also did a lot of the tooling and equipment for the Alberta O&G sector because they didn't have the expertise. But then our tool makers moved out there.

As soon as PP can get in the seat, we should invite those that want our oil and gas to come here and help build their shipping and processing facilities. Use our labour, resources and infrastructure. Give them all a good port and tell them the sooner they build their shipment facility, the sooner they get their gas and oil. China need not apply.

Maybe use the not withstanding clause to put the pipelines where we need them? It shouldn't be acceptable for a single province to put the brakes on a national energy initiative.

 

[Kirkhill]

Cutting back on rail was a mistake. We still have the ability to fix that and invest more in rail at likely a minimal cost.

Further to that and the potential for moving natural gas by rail and sea in the near term...

Compressed Natural Gas | Eastward Energy

Eastward Energy delivers natural gas to large energy users that are currently outside of our pipeline distribution network by transporting compressed natural gas (CNG). It is a great solution for organizations that have high energy use and wish to reduce their energy costs, remain competitive...

eastwardenergy.com

CNG is made by compressing natural gas to a pressure of 200-248 bar (2,900-3,600 psi) in cylindrical pressure tubes. When the CNG reaches its destination, it is depressurized to pipeline operating pressures so that it can be consumed for manufacturing or space and water heat. Each trailer of 14 tubes contains approximately 315 Gigajoules of energy.

Perhaps those tubes could be mounted into ISO frames to replicate something like this:



Expedient effort.

 

[Remius]

As expected the CAD is taking a hard hit.

Canadian dollar and Mexican peso slide as Donald Trump’s tariffs unnerve investors

US stock futures also drop while oil prices rally as economists rush to assess impact of new levies

www.ft.com

 

[Remius]

Apparently Trump has said he will speak with Trudeau on Monday.

Will it be:

1) threats to escalate
2) try to agree to something
3) more trolling
4) not actually speak with him

 

[RangerRay]

Former Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger has an idea…

Adam Kinzinger (@adamkinzinger)

Dear Mexico, Canada, Panama, and Europe: 100 percent tariffs on Tesla.

substack.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Do we not have a refinery capable of processing WCS?
Perhaps we could process it all ourselves and sell the finished products to market? Alberta loses nothing and the US loses a money maker.

 

[brihard]

Do we not have a refinery capable of processing WCS?
Perhaps we could process it all ourselves and sell the finished products to market? Alberta loses nothing and the US loses a money maker.

Wiki has a decent article on WCS including a (short) list of refineries that process it. Looks like we have one in Regina and one in Sarnia.

Western Canadian Select - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Remius]

Former Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger has an idea…

Adam Kinzinger (@adamkinzinger)

Dear Mexico, Canada, Panama, and Europe: 100 percent tariffs on Tesla.

substack.com

Maybe someone listened.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885917711039119709

 

[FJAG]

However she had to settle for lettuce from the U.S.

Lettuce is just water with a thin, tasteless plant membrane around it. It's easy to take out of the menu.

Apparently Trump has said he will speak with Trudeau on Monday.

Will it be:

1) threats to escalate
2) try to agree to something
3) more trolling
4) not actually speak with him

FTFY

 

[dapaterson]

Maybe someone listened.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1885917711039119709

Calling Musk the president is a deliberate plot to insinuate that Trump isn't in charge, to get under his skin.

Much as you'd call Russians Nekulturny, calling Trump a second-rater or subordinate to someone else is a tool to help you make him lose control.

 

[ModlrMike]

Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.

 

[Lumber]

“Can’t” is not a good look, but I get it’s the CAF motto as of late. The best time to start was 15 years ago. The second best time is now.

Ah, so you're throwing shade and continuing to dodge the question.

 

[Lumber]

What is your objective by said “combat”?

All those things you dismiss are viable methods to increase Canadian economic resilience and productivity however they are hard strategically oriented long term measures that aren’t immediately emotionally gratifying. Further they are all things that are in Canada’s control and best interest irrespective of how the next months and years play out.

I never disagreed that these weren't good things that Canada should be doing (for most of QV's list). None of these could have been announced yesterday as an immediate response to counter/soften the blow of the impact of Trump's tarrifs.

 

[lenaitch]

It's telling the only ones seemingly bothered by this are the regular shit throwing chicken littles in the democrat party.

Well, and maybe one or two Republicans

From the article:

Congress was not given the legally required 30-day notices about the removals — something that even a top Republican is decrying. “There may be good reason the IGs were fired. We need to know that if so,” Sen. Chuck Grassley, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a statement. “I’d like further explanation from President Trump. Regardless, the 30 day detailed notice of removal that the law demands was not provided to Congress,” said Grassley, R-Iowa.

Then again, some don't seemed to be bothered by a little Executive law breaking:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., acknowledged that the firings violated statutes but shrugged it off: “Just tell them you need to follow the law next time,” he said.

I'm sure he'd take the same view if a Democrat president did the same thing.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Wab Kinew recently stated that Manitoba is a maritime province. Time to build a pipeline from Fort McMurray to Churchill.

Now that TMX is in, there's less pressure on getting 'Berta bitumen to tidewater though...

Trans Mountain expansion has delivered so far on some profitable promises, report suggests​

Narrower oil price spread increased revenues by estimated $7B US last year​

A recently released report compiled by a local economist suggests the oil sector is already seeing some of the promised benefits from the contentious Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion just six months after its completion.

Calgary-based Charles St-Arnaud, chief economist with Alberta Central, says expanding the pipeline has reduced the price differential between the Canadian price of oil — known as Western Canada Select (WCS) — and the U.S. benchmark price, West Texas Intermediate (WTI).

According to his report, that gap narrowed by about $8 US per barrel at the tail end of 2024. He says this is much lower than previous years, and that narrowing the spread is a good sign for Alberta's economy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion-tmx-revenues-st-arnaud-1.7434823

 

[brihard]

Now that TMX is in, there's less pressure on getting 'Berta bitumen to tidewater though...

Trans Mountain expansion has delivered so far on some profitable promises, report suggests​

Narrower oil price spread increased revenues by estimated $7B US last year​

A recently released report compiled by a local economist suggests the oil sector is already seeing some of the promised benefits from the contentious Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion just six months after its completion.

Calgary-based Charles St-Arnaud, chief economist with Alberta Central, says expanding the pipeline has reduced the price differential between the Canadian price of oil — known as Western Canada Select (WCS) — and the U.S. benchmark price, West Texas Intermediate (WTI).

According to his report, that gap narrowed by about $8 US per barrel at the tail end of 2024. He says this is much lower than previous years, and that narrowing the spread is a good sign for Alberta's economy.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion-tmx-revenues-st-arnaud-1.7434823

Getting TMX done was a good move. It was neat seeing so much of it under construction when we did a cross country road trip through the mountains in 2023.

 

[Haggis]

Apparently Trump has said he will speak with Trudeau on Monday.

Speak with? Or speak at? Trudeau is no match for Trump. It will probably be a very one sided conversation.

 

[lenaitch]

Just about nothing on this list is something that can be done rapidly. Even if JT used the EA to force through approval and funding for an energy east pipeline and multiple lng terminals, we'd be well into the next presidential term before they got built. Further, a lot of these idea have nothing at all to do with "how to combat the unilateral and unwarranted economic attack by a neighbor".

So, once again, what is it you think Canada should be doing in the immediate term in response?

I think you're being generous. Even if we didn't have environmental reviews and a requirement for FN consultation, I doubt any significant energy infrastructure could be done in this decade let alone this presidential term.