CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[McG]

I wouldn't forget that while Canada is on his list he is getting similar reactions for similar reasons in virtually every country on the planet. Everybody, including Putin and Xi, is trying to figure out him and his administration.

We can't afford to take everything personally.

Most countries have not been threatened with Anschluss. We have something to legitimately take personally.

Pretty disappointing to see folks taking stuff out on the anthems. To me that is simply childish behavior that just further poisons the well.

If it is getting noticed, then maybe it is an effective protest.

 

[Brad Sallows]

For a man to love his country, his country ought to be lovely. The uglier people are, the less I care about whether this version of the country survives much longer.

 

[KevinB]

Most countries have not been threatened with Anschluss. We have something to legitimately take personally.

Again he’s solely gaslighting your government.

If it is getting noticed, then maybe it is an effective protest.

I’d suggest it’s pissing people off, and going to make the situation worse.

Remember our oath down here is to the Flag and the Republic for which it stands. Shitting on the SSB isn’t a way to get back at Trump, it’s a way to unite people behind him.

 

[PrairieFella]

Again he’s solely gaslighting your government.



I’d suggest it’s pissing people off, and going to make the situation worse.

Remember our oath down here is to the Flag and the Republic for which it stands. Shitting on the SSB isn’t a way to get back at Trump, it’s a way to unite people behind him.

Americans must be very fragile of late if people booing their song hurts their feelings. Perhaps it hurts our feelings that we're being threatened existentially by the United States. Gaslighted or not, we have to take the threat seriously.

 

[KevinB]

Americans must be very fragile of late if people booing their song hurts their feelings. Perhaps it hurts our feelings that we're being threatened existentially by the United States. Gaslighted or not, we have to take the threat seriously.

Driving people towards indifference or support of your absorption or destruction isn’t a particularly wise COA.

Economically or Militarily American could ruin Canada.

You fundamentally miss the link to the anthem and the country and how unlike the Commonwealth the HoS isn’t the point of allegiance.

 

[Kirkhill]

There is a line of thought out there that perhaps chaos is the plan and perhaps the ultimate intention is to weaken the US dollar and strengthen the Euro, CAD, UKP etc.

That would make it easier for Americans to sell what they made boosting jobs, and harder to buy imports again boosting domestic production and swinging the balance of trade.

That would reverse the economics of the US and Europe.

His policies are also decoupling the world police role and rapidly forcing others to take on that cost.

Finally, and relatedly, the USAID VOA RFE moves also speak to a retreat from American Exceptionalism. That has not been a universally popular foreign policy trait. No more than well meaning British missionary ladies singing Onwards Christian Soldiers were appreciated. The response tended to be kind of hit or miss.

How to create disruption and keep the masses entertained at the same time. It is only Americans that elect him.

 

[KevinB]

There is a line of thought out there that perhaps chaos is the plan and perhaps the ultimate intention is to weaken the US dollar and strengthen the Euro, CAD, UKP etc.

That would make it easier for Americans to sell what they made boosting jobs, and harder to buy imports again boosting domestic production and swinging the balance of trade.

Except it is poisoning the well against American products.

. It is only Americans that elect him.

His popularity is tanking, as he’s crushing the economy here.

There is ONE property in my county now that still has Trump supporting signs up. Granted some come down after the election, but billboards have been stricken down and a lot of homes that used to boast signs for Trump (or Republican Party) year round are gone.

DOGE has been shown to currently cost more money than it is saving. Heck USG spending after all the DOGE cuts is still up from the Biden Administration, America is losing, and I suspect most other Americans are realizing that we traded one Oligarchy for another that is less transparent and trustworthy than the other.

I’m beginning to feel like Civil War was a documentary…

 

[Brad Sallows]

Americans must be very fragile of late if people booing their song hurts their feelings. Perhaps it hurts our feelings that we're being threatened existentially by the United States. Gaslighted or not, we have to take the threat seriously.

Why should we believe Americans will take provocations more lightly than we are doing?

"This pisses me off; I'm going to piss him off" is not productive. Consider Gandhi's alleged line about "eye for an eye". The point should be obvious.

 

[McG]

I’m beginning to feel like Civil War was a documentary…

One hopes it will not come to that, but the longer Americans allow Trump to entrench himself the harder it will be (and the more enduring his stain will be after removal).

Americans put Trump in power, and Americans are not doing too much to restrain him. What Trump does while wielding the USA, the rest of the world sees as being the actions of the USA. He is defiling the legacy of American symbols, but right now he is a part of those symbols. If a country does not want its anthem booed for initiating trade wars and threatening annexation of neighbouring democracies, then maybe the countey should not make such threats or start such trade wars. If Americans are going to rally around Trump while he turns the nation into a Kleptocratic autocracy because of booing at a hockey game then they probably deserve what will come from that.

But, if Americans step-up now and take a queue from peoples of Georgia, Hungary, Romania and Serbia - wage the giant protests to fight for their democracy … not only could that avoid a second civil war, it would quickly strip Trump of his ownership of American symbols in the eyes of the world. People booing the anthem in protest of Trump today would sing it in support of pro rule-of-law protesters tomorrow.

 

[QV]

Pretty hard to mount some sort of protest movement when the DNC is at it's lowest level of favorability in 40 years. If this keeps up, Trump might hold the house and senate at midterms.... and get that third term after all.

 

[Remius]

Pretty hard to mount some sort of protest movement when the DNC is at it's lowest level of favorability in 40 years. If this keeps up, Trump might hold the house and senate at midterms.... and get that third term after all.

So not really a blip…

 

[QV]

So not really a blip…

Yeah maybe not.

 

[JLB50]

Pretty hard to mount some sort of protest movement when the DNC is at it's lowest level of favorability in 40 years. If this keeps up, Trump might hold the house and senate at midterms.... and get that third term after all.

The Demos deserve to be unpopular. They are controlled largely by the Woke crowd. The same is true with the Liberals here. Actually. too much extremism at both ends of the political spectrum.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The Demos deserve to be unpopular. They are controlled largely by the Woke crowd. The same is true with the Liberals here. Actually. too much extremism at both ends of the political spectrum.

I would say that the mere fact that the Liberals chose a Banker (aghast!) as their new leader and that new leader chose not to have (at least currently) Ministerial Portfolios in Women and Gender Equality, Democratic Insitutions and Diversity and Inclusion says alot.

 

[Jarnhamar]

new leader chose not to have (at least currently) Ministerial Portfolios in Women and Gender Equality, Democratic Insitutions and Diversity and Inclusion says alot.

It's pretty funny. I see Liberals posting in total support of this.
"Now isn't the time to worry about gender and inclusion!"

You couldn't find a crisper about turn on the march at a RCR parade square.

 

[RangerRay]

The Demos deserve to be unpopular. They are controlled largely by the Woke crowd. The same is true with the Liberals here. Actually. too much extremism at both ends of the political spectrum.

I have read and heard a lot from normie Dems and sympathetic Republicans who have tried to get the Dems to do more to appeal to the voters they need to win, but it sounds like the party is hamstrung by “The Groups”, a collection of special interest groups that seem to have a veto over the messaging of the party. This is why the Democrats flailing right now. “The Groups” hold too much sway and won’t allow the party to evolve.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I have read and heard a lot from normie Dems and sympathetic Republicans who have tried to get the Dems to do more to appeal to the voters they need to win, but it sounds like the party is hamstrung by “The Groups”, a collection of special interest groups that seem to have a veto over the messaging of the party. This is why the Democrats flailing right now. “The Groups” hold too much sway and won’t allow the party to evolve.

Kind of reminds me of those 'Tea Party' individuals that eventually morphed into the Trump/MAGA cult.

"Cults to the left of me, Cults to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you".....

 

[QV]

Cult or movement? Trump's movement crossed party lines and brought all sorts of people together.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Cult or movement? Trump's movement crossed party lines and brought all sorts of people together.

Der Fuhrer got all kinds to join with him and I'd classify him as a Cult.

 

[lenaitch]

America is losing, and I suspect most other Americans are realizing that we traded one Oligarchy for another that is less transparent and trustworthy than the other.

With the polarization in politics these days, particularly in a de facto 2-party system, I don't see much alternative than bouncing between oligarchs. It similar up here with high-centralized/all-powerful PMOs simply changing sweaters every few years.