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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

You put alot of faith into someone that a number of medical doctors question their mental state.
And who just ordered the kidnapping of a head of state, legitimate or otherwise, on foreign soil.


Regarding Greenlanders... I don't think it is. There has not been any offer of detail. I suspect that 85% could change dramatically depending on how bad the US wants to control Greenland.
So everybody is a whore; it just a matter of the price?
 
Well, Trump’s own niece, Mary Trump is a clinical psychologist. She has experienced his personality disorder first hand. I’d hardly call that a remote diagnosis.
It's also unethical for family to diagnose family. And we don't know what kind of conflicting personal emotions cloud her judgement.
 
And who just ordered the kidnapping of a head of state, legitimate or otherwise, on foreign soil. You say this like its a bad thing and you'd rather have that dictator continue to do his thing. Suit yourself. What happened to OBL? Was that wrong too?



So everybody is a whore; it just a matter of the price? Scared of the result?
 
Wishful thinking at best; cowardly blackguarding at worst.
Cowardly blackguarding Trump? Are we talking about the same person? The same rapist, convicted felon Trump? The same Trump who has been impeached twice? The same Trump who claims that just about everybody who opposes him is crooked, a criminal, a cheat? And at the same time the same Trump who gets along so well with Putin? The same Trump who goes on a Hitler-like rant and humiliates Zelenskyy in front of millions of people? I, along with countless others here, could go on about his
state of mind.

Well, if I’m being unfair to that man and maligning that visionary, fearless leader at the helm of the most powerful nation on earth and saying the wrong thing then I’m so very very s-o-r-r-y. (Not). Or maybe I’m the person who should be institutionalized for assuming that Americans would wake up to what’s being done.
 
Cowardly blackguarding Trump? Are we talking about the same person? The same rapist, convicted felon Trump? The same Trump who has been impeached twice? The same Trump who claims that just about everybody who opposes him is crooked, a criminal, a cheat? And at the same time the same Trump who gets along so well with Putin? The same Trump who goes on a Hitler-like rant and humiliates Zelenskyy in front of millions of people? I, along with countless others here, could go on about his
state of mind.
There is nothing wrong with stating objective facts. Surely there are enough of them not to have make shit up, though?

Anyways, the "cowardly blackguarding" is aimed at the people professing to make "diagnoses".
 
There is nothing wrong with stating objective facts. Surely there are enough of them not to have make shit up, though?

Anyways, the "cowardly blackguarding" is aimed at the people professing to make "diagnoses".
Hey, is it really any different than those (including myself) who have cast serious aspersions on Justin Trudeau and his loyalty to democracy?
 
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{Me]And who just ordered the kidnapping of a head of state, legitimate or otherwise, on foreign soil. You say this like its a bad thing and you'd rather have that dictator continue to do his thing. Suit yourself. What happened to OBL? Was that wrong too?

Well, if public information is to believed, OBL masterminded a terrorist attack on a sovereign nation as well as exported and supported terrorism, unless you believe the whole 9/11 thing was just a CIA false flag operation.

Wait . . . you think it was all about drugs? That's adorable. Seeing as most of the precursors for fentanyl come from China, I await the helicopters over Beijing. Or a few missiles dropped into rural Quebec or BC. I'm sure we'd be fine with it.

[Me] So everybody is a whore; it just a matter of the price? Scared of the result?

It was more of a comment on the belief held by some that the world is full of either Americans or those who want to be. Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that those who think being an American is just the most wonderous thing in the world are still here. Waiting for an offer?
 
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Well, if public information is to believed, OBL masterminded a terrorist attack on a sovereign nation as well as exported and supported terrorism, unless you believe the whole 9/11 thing was just a CIA false flag operation.

Wait . . . you think it was all about drugs? That's adorable. Seeing as most of the precursors for fentanyl come from China, I await the helicopters over Beijing. Or a few missiles dropped into rural Quebec or BC. I'm sure we'd be fine with it.



It was more of a comment on the belief held by some that the world is full of either Americans or those who want to be. Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that those who think being an American is just the most wonderous thing in the world are still here. Waiting for an offer?
You made the snide comment about the Americans grabbing Maduro. Grabbing Maduro is about much more than only drugs, oil, or hurt feelings. Suggest you do some reading about the impacts of it. Even some democrats praised this, which must be quite difficult for them given this administration's antics.

On the 'want to be American' point you raise, you (and others) keep making leaps like this. Nobody has stated the whole world wants to be American. Nobody has stated being an American is the most "wonderous thing in the world". These are all leaps you are making on your own. With respect to Greenland, who have already considered independence from Denmark, a union of some kind with another friendly nation is not out of the realm of the possible. This is where what's on the table matters.

For some reason each time the discussion moves on whether a population can/should change sovereignty, there are a handful of people here who get very triggered. It's not without precedent. It's a worthy discussion if at the very least to understand other opinions and view points which could help make for an atmosphere where the notion is even less likely, rather than continue to pursue paths that alienate or disparage large parts of its people.
 
You made the snide comment about the Americans grabbing Maduro. Grabbing Maduro is about much more than only drugs, oil, or hurt feelings. Suggest you do some reading about the impacts of it. Even some democrats praised this, which must be quite difficult for them given this administration's antics.

On the 'want to be American' point you raise, you (and others) keep making leaps like this. Nobody has stated the whole world wants to be American. Nobody has stated being an American is the most "wonderous thing in the world". These are all leaps you are making on your own. With respect to Greenland, who have already considered independence from Denmark, a union of some kind with another friendly nation is not out of the realm of the possible. This is where what's on the table matters.

For some reason each time the discussion moves on whether a population can/should change sovereignty, there are a handful of people here who get very triggered. It's not without precedent. It's a worthy discussion if at the very least to understand other opinions and view points which could help make for an atmosphere where the notion is even less likely, rather than continue to pursue paths that alienate or disparage large parts of its people.

Nah. I can understand that you and others are more than happy to become US citizens. Or that your loyalty can be bought with user paid healthcare, guns and whatever else. I could care less. Wanting to be American is fine. Please exercise that right.

Just do it yourselves and do the hard work to become one rather than hope for an easy button and stop defending the virtues of having everyone else follow you. No one is buying any of your and others line of thought that this is just “worthy of discussion” and it’s “perfectly normal”. We know exactly where you stand. Your posts speak for themselves. Stop playing the victim and at least accept that you will be called out by Canadians less than thrilled with what you have to say.
 
Hey, is it really any different than those (including myself) who have cast serious aspersions on Justin Trudeau and his loyalty to democracy?
I do that too, but I'm just a jackass on the web, not some kind of professionally credentialed doctor misusing my status by appealing to my own authority to make a diagnosis I'm not actually in a position to make, and ethically forbidden from making in that way.
 
Nah. I can understand that you and others are more than happy to become US citizens. Or that your loyalty can be bought with user paid healthcare, guns and whatever else. I could care less. Wanting to be American is fine. Please exercise that right.
So loyalty can be bought. Or at least it can be freely exchanged (migration). Our noble country worthy of unquestioned loyalty is out there with several other countries, bidding for immigrants, particularly high-end immigrants, and not making a peep about whether the incoming flow actually has any loyalty to Canada or is just here to work for a while before returning home, or to milk the social welfare state a little while sending money back to where their real loyalties lie. And what is the position of people with more than one loyalty (citizenship)?

A problem with elevating loyalty to a country above loyalty to ideas is that it places illiberal countries on the same plane as liberal countries with respect to demands for loyalty. But I can see why people are hostile to loyalty to ideas: countries that approximately embody the set of ideas are approximately equivalent and all demands for allegiance are empty.

And what happens when a country goes astray? Either a person is still loyal (and a fool), or is not because he was really loyal to a set of ideas all along.
 
Loyalty matters but so does asking what we’re loyal to, and whether the country is living up to that. If we can’t talk about that openly, then loyalty becomes something enforced rather than earned.
 
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