Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[FJAG]

I seem to recall that the CA also used to get called out to deal with prison riots, at least at the Kingston Pen in '71.

I can well imagine though that after a different event in Quebec in 1990 the CA would want to stay well away from LEO types of aid to the civil power activity. Just rife with the potential for bad PR regardless of actual outcomes.

Yeah. The Kingston pen was a rough one. That was the RCR that was brought in there. I went in with 2 RCHA a few years later to lock the place down when the guards went on a 24-hour strike. Supervisors did the direct handling of the prisoners while we provided perimeter and interior armed security.

The point after turning riot control over to the LEOs was that the military could still be called in on insurrection etc issues but on the complete understanding by everyone that it was not as riot control but as an armed, military force of last resort.

That was the situation at Oka. 5 Brigade went in fully armed and equipped and prepared to use full military force if required when confronting armed insurrectionists. Several thousand troops were deployed or on stand by. A psyops program even included making howitzers, helicopters and even jets very obvious to the insurrectionists and having three Leopard C2s with dozer blades as a backup to clear barricades. de Chastelain was the CDS at the time and quite clear as to the army's purpose and Armand Roy, as bde commander, made it well known that the objective was the Warrior's unconditional surrender and that he had authority to use whatever force was necessary.

 

[lenaitch]

If needed, depending on what you're up to, it takes about a week or two to train up a rifle company, or just about any group of CAF members, to do crowd/ riot control.

The C&C and justice systems? That's whole other training program that will be needed before the military gets deployed to crack heads in Canada

Just make sure you learn the 'Molotov Mamba'

In the 'aid of the civil power' role (crowd control, etc.), the authority to crack heads is the same a civilian law enforcement so it boils down to staffing and deployment. As we saw in Ottawa (once OPS got out of its way), civilian law enforcement is well up to the task.

 

[daftandbarmy]

In the 'aid of the civil power' role (crowd control, etc.), the authority to crack heads is the same a civilian law enforcement so it boils down to staffing and deployment. As we saw in Ottawa (once OPS got out of its way), civilian law enforcement is well up to the task.

Thank Gawd.

No more of these situations please....

 

[brihard]

As we saw in Ottawa (once OPS got out of its way), civilian law enforcement is well up to the task.

Just to be clear, the only part of OPS ‘in the way’ was the service’s chief. But yeah, for the overwhelming majority of crowd ops, it’s within the skills, mandate, and abilities of civilian police, given sufficient mutual support for larger situations.

 

[lenaitch]

Thank Gawd.

No more of these situations please....

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But as @FJAG points out, that wasn't an aid to the civil power situation; it was considered an insurrection (under the laws of the day).

 

[daftandbarmy]

But as @FJAG points out, that wasn't an aid to the civil power situation; it was considered an insurrection (under the laws of the day).

Yeah, even then, putting troops in a situation like that is a sign of pretty bad leadership all round...