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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC


The problem with all the high tech exquisites, not only are they expensive but the lead times are long and their replenisment rates are slow.
That is what killed the battleship in WW2 and propelled the switch to aircraft carriers.
Those aircraft were cheap and plentiful and easy to turn out rapidly. Most of the carriers were simply hulls with a flat deck. They too were turned out rapidly.
 
It's the rest of the CAF that just expects that things will work out as planned, because that's how the Wainwright exercises always went...
Which is why I hate "validation " exercises. Cause lets be honest its a rubber stamp, when has a unit ever not been said to be ready? Not to say our training isnt working, im just saying we basically rubber stand without a hard objective outside look if a unit is actually ready
 
Which is why I hate "validation " exercises. Cause lets be honest its a rubber stamp, when has a unit ever not been said to be ready? Not to say our training isnt working, im just saying we basically rubber stand without a hard objective outside look if a unit is actually ready
LCol Morneault tried that and see where it got him...
 
Our 20th century inventions are wonderful time and energy savers until they are not. Not only should we be learning to be good as you mentioned, we should learn to be really good working with a basic panel (as the air force would say). A map and compass are absolute essentials when your GPS batteries run down.
If we think we will still have GPS capability in a real conflict we are deluding ourselves. Jamming and spoofing are generally time limited. A dump truck's worth of gravel in the right orbit makes the outage quite a bit more permanent. DDIL is a thing. QPNT is not yet a thing
 
Which is why I hate "validation " exercises. Cause lets be honest its a rubber stamp, when has a unit ever not been said to be ready? Not to say our training isnt working, im just saying we basically rubber stand without a hard objective outside look if a unit is actually ready
Validation is about the suitability of the training and its objectives. Confirmation is something else:

In the Canadian Army, validation training confirms that units are properly trained and prepared for operational tasks, ensuring training standards match required competency levels. Confirmation training (often part of high-readiness exercises like Maple Resolve) acts as the final, live, or simulated event to test, verify, and validate that command teams and units are fully capable and ready for deployment
 
Validation is about the suitability of the training and its objectives. Confirmation is something else:

In the Canadian Army, validation training confirms that units are properly trained and prepared for operational tasks, ensuring training standards match required competency levels. Confirmation training (often part of high-readiness exercises like Maple Resolve) acts as the final, live, or simulated event to test, verify, and validate that command teams and units are fully capable and ready for deployment
My mistake
 
If we think we will still have GPS capability in a real conflict we are deluding ourselves. Jamming and spoofing are generally time limited. A dump truck's worth of gravel in the right orbit makes the outage quite a bit more permanent. DDIL is a thing. QPNT is not yet a thing
Thats a MAD scenario though. GLONASS/Galileo/BeiDou all run in relatively the same orbital plane as GPS. That gravel would also deny an adversary their own usage permanently. Targeted DEW or anti-satellite missiles would definitely be something used though.
 
Thats a MAD scenario though. GLONASS/Galileo/BeiDou all run in relatively the same orbital plane as GPS. That gravel would also deny an adversary their own usage permanently. Targeted DEW or anti-satellite missiles would definitely be something used though.
If an adversary has the ability to launch a new constellation of micros sitting on the shelf right now to provide them with PNT that changes things. Likely adversaries are also less likey to require precision strikes to strike well known and plotted targets in an area the size of - let's say - Taiwan
 
Thats a MAD scenario though. GLONASS/Galileo/BeiDou all run in relatively the same orbital plane as GPS. That gravel would also deny an adversary their own usage permanently. Targeted DEW or anti-satellite missiles would definitely be something used though.
ASAT is an extremely expensive capability however. Very few nations could do it, and those that can, I doubt could afford the cost needed to take down an entire constellation of satellites
 
Validation is about the suitability of the training and its objectives. Confirmation is something else:

In the Canadian Army, validation training confirms that units are properly trained and prepared for operational tasks, ensuring training standards match required competency levels. Confirmation training (often part of high-readiness exercises like Maple Resolve) acts as the final, live, or simulated event to test, verify, and validate that command teams and units are fully capable and ready for deployment

So validation validates that the troops can do what they have been trained to do? Confirmation verifies that they can do what they have been trained to do?

How do you adjust the point of aim? How do you adjust the training standard to train troops to do something differently or do different things?

If an adversary has the ability to launch a new constellation of micros sitting on the shelf right now to provide them with PNT that changes things. Likely adversaries are also less likey to require precision strikes to strike well known and plotted targets in an area the size of - let's say - Taiwan

Or if an adversary has access to alternative means of navigation? LIke terrain following or celestial navigation?
 
So validation validates that the troops can do what they have been trained to do? Confirmation verifies that they can do what they have been trained to do?

Validation is a process for ensuring the training delivered (generally individual training such as a course) does what it is supposed to do. You aren't validating the training audience, but the training itself. It is generally something conducted by training SMEs and TDOs and focuses on ensuring the content of a course is linked to the Performance and Educational Objectives.

Confirmation is a collective "check ride" for a specified element prior to an operational commitment. It is something conducted by the chain of command (an element is confirmed by the commander two levels higher) and is generally linked to battle task standards that have been identified as being relevant to the task the element is being committed to.
 
Validation is a process for ensuring the training delivered (generally individual training such as a course) does what it is supposed to do. You aren't validating the training audience, but the training itself. It is generally something conducted by training SMEs and TDOs and focuses on ensuring the content of a course is linked to the Performance and Educational Objectives.

Confirmation is a collective "check ride" for a specified element prior to an operational commitment. It is something conducted by the chain of command (an element is confirmed by the commander two levels higher) and is generally linked to battle task standards that have been identified as being relevant to the task the element is being committed to.
I think it is the other way around. During large collective training events (MAPLE RESOLVE/OAK RESOLVE/UNIFIED RESOLVE/etc) the Validation Authority was from the CoC of those on exercise (Usually their Div Comd). During the exercises daily VABs (Validation Authority Briefs) kept the VA apprised of what BTS the training audience had completed and if the standard was met. It was the VA's signature on the package at the end of the training event that got the training audience their "check in the box".
 
Language evolves… particularly jargon. For as long as I remember, we have validated training (courses themselves) and this jargon of the TDO world evolved to encompass validating content & structure of large cyclical collective training events.

When we were in Afghanistan, I typically heard talk of validating the training audience. But NATO’s doctrine says countries certify units & formations, so CA’s jargon aligned with NATO once CMTC started supporting eFP certification exercises in Latvia. But NATO certifies parts (not so much the whole) and it wants the certification before organizations arrive in theatre… so I believe we have stopped using the term “CERTEX” in Latvia, buy we continue to certification of deploying sub-units & unit HQs in Canada. This has been our language for about a decade now.
 
I think it is the other way around. During large collective training events (MAPLE RESOLVE/OAK RESOLVE/UNIFIED RESOLVE/etc) the Validation Authority was from the CoC of those on exercise (Usually their Div Comd). During the exercises daily VABs (Validation Authority Briefs) kept the VA apprised of what BTS the training audience had completed and if the standard was met. It was the VA's signature on the package at the end of the training event that got the training audience their "check in the box".

Go read B-GL-300-008. "Validation. Validation verifies that PME or training has adequately prepared the target audience to perform the operational or institutional requirement." "Confirmation is an assessment of how well a tactical organization has mastered a particular BTS, or set of BTSs, and whether or not subsequent training is required."

What you are referring to may be referring to NATO policies but in the CAF the content of the training is validated while the people training are confirmed.
 
ASAT is an extremely expensive capability however. Very few nations could do it, and those that can, I doubt could afford the cost needed to take down an entire constellation of satellites
It really isn’t in the grand scheme.
The old ASAT missiles where pretty significant, but when you looks at a cost/kill the target is vastly more expensive and important than a missile.

As well as @PuckChaser pointed out DEW which requires a significant facility, but after that - the capability is not really expensive.

There are other ‘less permanent’ options for ASAT operations as well.
 

Validation and Verification are terms of art in the Quality Assurance process as are monitoring and certification.

In the industries with which I am familiar these are the definitions the Canadian Government recognizes.

2. Validation Definition and Procedure​

The Codex Alimentarius Commission (2008) defines validation as follows:
  • Obtaining evidence that a control measure or combination of control measures, if properly implemented, is capable of controlling the hazard to a specified outcome.


In the US we are advised

Validation is the process of gathering scientific evidence that your process COULD work. That means by controlled and challenged experimentation or by direct reference to challenged and accepted literature.

Verification is an audit process to confirm that your validated process actually works.

Validation is a one time event that confirms the bench mark.

Verification is an ongoing event in a continuous process


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So this ....

I have a problem.

The Good Idea Fairy visits an d I come up with a course of action.

I do a literature search to determine if there is any validity to that course of action.

Having found some challenged and accepted authorities that support my proposed CoA I have now verified that my CoA is valid.

But no product is yet made.

i now need support so I have to convince others that my process is valid.

During my literature review I identify hazards, things that can go wrong. I also identify how to fix them. This is the HA part of HACCP theory - Hazard Analysis - Critical Control Point. Critical Control Points are those points of the process that I will have to closely monitor to ensure that my process stays on track and achieves the desired outcome. They are points where the process can be influenced and hazards mitigated.

Part of the process of getting support to proceed is submitting a HACCP plan. With that information in place then the odds that I can find at least one other person to agree with me that the process might be valid and invest in the process increase.

To advance the process we now need to enter into the experimentation phase.

Typically this goes through three sub-phases

Bench-Top
Pilot
Full Scale

At the Bench Top level we typically invest pennies in equipment, kilograms of material and thousands of hours of time. This is more verfication. Once we have achieved the results we are looking for we have further verified that we are on the right track and this could be a valid CoA.

But before we can get someone to invest millions of dollars we go looking for thousands. That money is used to buy, rent or steal the smallest versions of each of the unit processes we can find. It may be old, outdated equipment that approximates the stuff we are thinking about but it is made to serve. In addition to the thousands in equipment we invest thousand of kilograms, tonnes of material. We also invest more time, but because we are now using someone else's money we are typically on the clock and challenged to verify if we stiil have a valid CoA. On achieving the desired outcome we can now certify to the investors that we have verified that we have a valid CoA worth further investment and sign off on a certficate. That process can take months and sometimes years. Usually the time spent testing is measured in days and weeks but the review period is measured in months and years.

Assuming we get agreement that the certified process is valid then we get the millions of dollars required to build the full scale plant and apply the certified process to the real world. This phase invests millions of dollars and hundreds of tonnes of material. But the time available to invest is reduced to days and hours. This final phase of experimentation is also known as commissioning. This is the process of verifying that the certified process actually gets the job done. It verifies that the Course of Action works. We now have a valid process that works. We can certify that. The client can certify that. The insurers can certify that. Third part validators can certify that. The government can certfy that. The investors and the consumers then have a high degree of probability that they will be satisfied and that the food that we put in their bellies won't kill them. We make no claimss that they will like the product.

At that point we, the supplier, certify the plant and hand it off to the user.

And the experimentation and verification continues. Every batch is monitored as it proceeds through the process past all those Critical Contro Points to ensure that the hazard risk is managed and kept under control. Every batch that is successfully produced further verifies the validity of the process, the Course of Action. It validates the Course of Action and gives sufficient comfort to the user, their investors, their validators and the government that they can certify their product to the the consumer.

In my world verfication is the process of gathering evidence. Observation in Boydian terms.
Validation is the process of determining if the Course of Action achieves the desired outcome. Orientation and Decision.
Certification is the act of guaranteeing to others that you believe they will be happy and they can sue you if they arr not. Action.

Also, in my world, the processes of experimentation, verification and validation never end. They are the key elements in a Continuous Improvement environment. Every day, and every batch, not only do we check our Operating Characteristic charts to see if the results fall within our 6-Sigma bounds we check for slow motion drift that may require us to review our point of aim and rethink our CoA.

And, not infrequently, we may shift the process entirely and move our point of aim right outside our 6-sigma limits and test alternate Courses of Action to verify if they are worth validating.

None of this endears us to accountants. They hate Continuous Improvement because it is not compatible with the clarity associated with fixed end-states. There is no end state. There is only continuous adaptation.

They do love the certification and suing bit though.
 
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