MilEME09
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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC
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Canada dipped below 1% in the final full year of the Harper government.
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Looks like the billions into recruiting is going to be needed
globalnews.ca
Canadian military surpasses 2025 recruitment goal, hits 10-year high - National | Globalnews.ca
The spike in new members comes at a time of heightened focus on Canadian sovereignty, and as Prime Minister Mark Carney vows to rebuild the military.
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Looks like the billions into recruiting is going to be needed
Canadian military surpasses 2025 recruitment goal, hits 10-year high - National | Globalnews.ca
The spike in new members comes at a time of heightened focus on Canadian sovereignty, and as Prime Minister Mark Carney vows to rebuild the military.
More like billions into training. We should expect the highest attrition early in people’s careers - a lot of that is frankly positive. What I mean by that is that the initial training in the military is, by design, a shock and some people will not be ready for that or willing to do it. That’s fine, we should thank them for coming out and see them on their way as efficiently as possible.
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June 2025 - post invasion of Ukraine and mobilization of the Eastern flank (and Sweden and Finland joining NATO)
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June 2017 - prior to the invasion of Ukraine and mobilization of the Eastern flank
We are so engaged that we intend to reach the size of force that we intended to, and failed to, reach in 2017. By 2030. 5 years from now and 8 years after the invasion of Ukraine.
Just as well there isn't a war on.
Canada’s new government is rebuilding, rearming, and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces - Canada.ca
Today, Prime Minister Mark Carney and Minister of National Defence David McGuinty announced Canada’s plan to increase and accelerate its investments in defence.
June 2017 - prior to the invasion of Ukraine and mobilization of the Eastern flank
We are so engaged that we intend to reach the size of force that we intended to, and failed to, reach in 2017. By 2030. 5 years from now and 8 years after the invasion of Ukraine.
Just as well there isn't a war on.
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CDS has stated she wants more but won't push that until we get close to filling out the 13000 missing alreadyJune 2025 - post invasion of Ukraine and mobilization of the Eastern flank (and Sweden and Finland joining NATO)
Canada’s new government is rebuilding, rearming, and reinvesting in the Canadian Armed Forces - Canada.ca
Today, Prime Minister Mark Carney and Minister of National Defence David McGuinty announced Canada’s plan to increase and accelerate its investments in defence.
June 2017 - prior to the invasion of Ukraine and mobilization of the Eastern flank
We are so engaged that we intend to reach the size of force that we intended to, and failed to, reach in 2017. By 2030. 5 years from now and 8 years after the invasion of Ukraine.
Just as well there isn't a war on.
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I happen to agree with Carney on this. We are in a different position than Poland or Denmark. Defending Europe is optional for us, while defending Canada by Europe against Russia (or anyone else - glances due south) is a non-starter for them. Of course the CCG can be a defence asset for Canada, of course the CCG is not going to be a deployable defence asset for Europe. I don’t care what they think of that, I really don’t. If it works for us and strengthens our defences, that’s what matters more than any other country, organization or treaty. And that’s just one example.
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Here’s another example. The Rangers aren’t about to go to Europe to fight the Russians, but if we dump 5 billion into them, that’s defence spending and NATO can take a walk aboot that.
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It's optional for them too just as it is for us. Take a look at how many NATO countries sent forces to Afghanistan in support of the US to see just how many exercised that option.
The CCG doesn't need to go to Europe to count as a defence asset for NATO purposes. But CCG personnel need to be "trained in military tactics, are equipped as a military force, can operate under direct military authority in deployed operations, and can, realistically, be deployed outside national territory in support of a military force" in order to be count.
The point though isn't so much spread sheet accounting as it is to create a true military capability.
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I can definitely think of ways of using the Coast Guard to support the CAF in a manner that would be extremely useful, but would not overly change how they operate on a day to day basis.
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Like taking over Op Caribe from the RCN?
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Maybe.
I think of all sorts of containerized mission packages that, all they have to do is put them them on the back of their ships and sail around a piece of ocean that we tell them to.
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Has anyone bothered to ask the Coast Guard what they think of this?
I'm wondering how many of these civil servants may decide to simply vote with their feet.
I suspect that a lot of them if they wanted to be in the Navy they would have joined the Navy.
Guess we'll find out.
I'm wondering how many of these civil servants may decide to simply vote with their feet.
I suspect that a lot of them if they wanted to be in the Navy they would have joined the Navy.
Guess we'll find out.
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Mandated to contribute to the recognized maritime picture is huge on its own.
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Putting the Coast Guard under MND does not mean necessarily putting Harpoons on Coast Guard ships.
It may, it in fact, mean very little change to how the operate, day to day.
But, even if the Government decides to fully militarize the Coast Guard, that ain’t a Union call.
Managers have the right to manage. If employees don’t like it, they can find other jobs.
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Yup. And takes little more than additional reporting while they are sailing around.
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Actually it does.
A major component of defence expenditure is payments for Armed Forces financed from within the Ministry of Defence budget. Armed Forces include land, maritime and air forces as well as joint formations, such as Administration and Command, Special Operations Forces, Medical Service, Logistic Command, Space Command, Cyber Command. They might also include parts of other forces such as Ministry of Interior troops, national police forces, coast guards etc. In such cases, expenditure is included only in proportion to the forces that are trained in military tactics, are equipped as a military force, can operate under direct military authority in deployed operations, and can, realistically, be deployed outside national territory in support of a military force. Expenditure on other forces financed through the budgets of ministries other than the Ministry of Defence is also included in defence expenditure.
Retirement pensions made directly by the government to retired military and civilian employees of military departments and for active personnel is included in the NATO defence expenditure definition.
Expenditures for stockpiling of war reserves of finished military equipment or supplies for use directly by the armed forces are included.
If expenditures for operations, missions, engagements, and other activities are appropriated under the defence budget, they are included in the NATO definition. Expenditure for peacekeeping and humanitarian operations, paid by the Ministry of Defence or other ministries, the destruction of weapons, equipment and ammunition, and the costs associated with inspection and control of equipment destruction.
As such one can’t just wish away the requirements above to have NATO count thinks into 2%
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Transcript from:
Station: CFRB AM (Newstalk 1010)
Program: Jim Richards Show
"HUTTON: How much goes into personnel? Because I think most of us in the country think first and foremost of our personnel, of our men and women.
MCGUINTY: Well, you're absolutely right, Deb. It's a big part of our-- at the front end, it is the beginning. It's about a 20% pay increase, immediately for our members, we're going to be looking at operationalizing this idea. In fact, I'm meeting with my Deputy Minister later today. That's a very big part, because we want to recruit and retain, we have to recruit and retain another 13,000 members, 6,500 in the reserves and 6,500 in the regular forces. So, beyond that, it's also going to be about, investing in core things. Health care, childcare, housing in our bases, technology, Wi-Fi, joining school boards, for example, and helping from time to time with setting up classrooms and teaching for folks on the basis. So, it's going to be a very, very, granular series of investments, Deb, to help our frontline Canadian Armed Forces members, because we can't really ask them to come in and, you know, to get recruited and retained if we're not going to treat them well, and this is exactly what we're trying to do."
Hopefully, we get more details in the near future.
https://www.infomedia.gc.ca/forces/en/2025/6/11/259976655
Station: CFRB AM (Newstalk 1010)
Program: Jim Richards Show
"HUTTON: How much goes into personnel? Because I think most of us in the country think first and foremost of our personnel, of our men and women.
MCGUINTY: Well, you're absolutely right, Deb. It's a big part of our-- at the front end, it is the beginning. It's about a 20% pay increase, immediately for our members, we're going to be looking at operationalizing this idea. In fact, I'm meeting with my Deputy Minister later today. That's a very big part, because we want to recruit and retain, we have to recruit and retain another 13,000 members, 6,500 in the reserves and 6,500 in the regular forces. So, beyond that, it's also going to be about, investing in core things. Health care, childcare, housing in our bases, technology, Wi-Fi, joining school boards, for example, and helping from time to time with setting up classrooms and teaching for folks on the basis. So, it's going to be a very, very, granular series of investments, Deb, to help our frontline Canadian Armed Forces members, because we can't really ask them to come in and, you know, to get recruited and retained if we're not going to treat them well, and this is exactly what we're trying to do."
Hopefully, we get more details in the near future.
https://www.infomedia.gc.ca/forces/en/2025/6/11/259976655
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