Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[KTown Cowboy]

UK and NATO allies agree to boost spending on defence and related areas to 5% of GDP by 2035

 

[GK .Dundas]

You've seen the politicians we are used to for the last 10 years right? We are used to optics not substance so excuse me for over thinking

Overthinking ?
There's a phrase one normally doesn't associate with Canadian politicians.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Overthinking ?
There's a phrase one normally doesn't associate with Canadian politicians.

Carney isnt holding the railing.

Someone needs to remind him no-one out ranks general safety.

 

[Remius]

UK and NATO allies agree to boost spending on defence and related areas to 5% of GDP by 2035

Just when we might meet the first goal we now have to meet the next one.

I suspect we’ll be discussing how Canada is not meeting its 5% goal in 2035.

 

[dapaterson]

It's 3.5% military, 1.5% is adjacent investment.

The latter can be a boon for remote communities - new roads and airfields fit under that umbrella.

 

[MilEME09]

It's 3.5% military, 1.5% is adjacent investment.

The latter can be a boon for remote communities - new roads and airfields fit under that umbrella.

Paved roads to the north alone would cost a small fortune

 

[Jarnhamar]

I dont know guys. The government has been saying we'll hit 2% for the last 19 years.

Every election we've heard promises the new government will be different. They'll make good on their promise.

We just had the MND say we're getting a 20% salary increase "immediately", which was almost immediately walked back.

I wouldn't hold your breath we're hitting 2% by the end of the year.

 

[MilEME09]

I dont know guys. The government has been saying we'll hit 2% for the last 19 years.

Every election we've heard promises the new government will be different. They'll make good on their promise.

We just had the MND say we're getting a 20% salary increase "immediately", which was almost immediately walked back.

I wouldn't hold your breath we're hitting 2% by the end of the year.

Fiscal year* the fall budget will be the telling statement

 

[FJAG]

This is the logical response. To think a politician is picking their plane colour so show "they mean business" is laughable. If they wanted that impression, he should have flown over in a CC-130J wearing Zelensky-esque 5.11 Tactical.

You're just too cynical. Some folks use a more subtle approach.

 

[Czech_pivo]

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Agreed…

I was thinking more along the lines of a Belgian Trappist Monk…

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[McG]

I dont know guys. The government has been saying we'll hit 2% for the last 19 years.

The 2% commitment was made in 2014. The government has only been saying that was a target for just over 10 years, not near 20.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

 

[Jarnhamar]

The 2% commitment was made in 2014. The government has only been saying that was a target for just over 10 years, not near 20.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

Ahh. I was looking at this from the same link.

The 2014 Defence Investment Pledge built on an earlier commitment to meeting this 2% of GDP guideline, agreed in 2006 by NATO Defence Ministers.

 

[Kirkhill]

Just when we might meet the first goal we now have to meet the next one.

I suspect we’ll be discussing how Canada is not meeting its 5% goal in 2035.

Unless Carney wants to declare new power lines critical infrastructure, for example.

In that case he can take the equivalent of the existing defence budget, 36 Billion CAD, adjusted for growth and inflation, and apply it as he sees fit.

36 Billion for Infrastructure 1.5%
36 Billion for Defence 1.5%

Then he has 10 years to find and spend 48 Billion 2%
And who knows what will turn up in 10 years.

Edit - @dapaterson Sorry. Typed before reading the rest of the thread.

 

[Navy_Pete]

The 20% pay raise has to be the biggest self goal I've seen in a long time.

They could have said nothing, come out with an unexpected pay raise of 5-10% and people would be happy, so this is wild. Also crazy to me that the MND would say something like that but then it gets translated to bureaucratic gobbledygook basically saying it's not happening by people below him.

What could have been a big morale booster as well as genuinely helping people with CoL is getting flipped into a net loss, even if we get a boost to our pay and benefits at some point down the line that is above and beyond what we normally get when benchmarked against the PS raises.

 

[YZT580]

Paved roads to the north alone would cost a small fortune

any road to the north will cost a bundle and require major environmental work-arounds. But with the coast guard under military guidance the purchase and construction of the heavy ice breakers could possibly be written off on that budget. Fun with numbers and all that.

 

[ueo]

I was thinking more along the lines of a Belgian Trappist Monk…

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Good beer tho'

 

[Furniture]

The 20% pay raise has to be the biggest self goal I've seen in a long time.

They could have said nothing, come out with an unexpected pay raise of 5-10% and people would be happy, so this is wild. Also crazy to me that the MND would say something like that but then it gets translated to bureaucratic gobbledygook basically saying it's not happening by people below him.

What could have been a big morale booster as well as genuinely helping people with CoL is getting flipped into a net loss, even if we get a boost to our pay and benefits at some point down the line that is above and beyond what we normally get when benchmarked against the PS raises.

You nailed it. They failed to manage messaging, created an expectation, and are now trying to walk it back and save face. With the end result being that members are now going to be disappointed with whatever comes out, unless it is actually better than a 20% raise.

Even after the minister made the announcement I suspected it wasn't accurate, but that's shouldn't be the default state for members. We shouldn't be conditioned to expect less than what we have been told we are getting...

 

[PrairieFella]

You nailed it. They failed to manage messaging, created an expectation, and are now trying to walk it back and save face. With the end result being that members are now going to be disappointed with whatever comes out, unless it is actually better than a 20% raise.

Even after the minister made the announcement I suspected it wasn't accurate, but that's shouldn't be the default state for members. We shouldn't be conditioned to expect less than what we have been told we are getting...

On the brightside, they've made such a mess for themselves that maybe they have to actually honour 20% haha.

 

[Kirkhill]

You nailed it. They failed to manage messaging, created an expectation, and are now trying to walk it back and save face. With the end result being that members are now going to be disappointed with whatever comes out, unless it is actually better than a 20% raise.

Even after the minister made the announcement I suspected it wasn't accurate, but that's shouldn't be the default state for members. We shouldn't be conditioned to expect less than what we have been told we are getting...

I agree entirely on the messaging and morale issues.

I wonder though, if in the rush of things, somebody understood what they think they heard: "pay will increase 20%" when what was meant was "payroll will increase 20%".

 

[daftandbarmy]

On the brightside, they've made such a mess for themselves that maybe they have to actually honour 20% haha.