Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[lenaitch]

There's a civil service already for that.

I wasn't talking about absorbing the RCMP at all. They would be a separate "armed force," akin to the way the army, navy and air force were before all this unification nonsense.

So . . . if not the RCMP, replacing the MP Branch with a new, separate federal policing service that is part of the DND but not the CAF? I'm confused.

If yes the RCMP, it would entail opening a bunch of new detachments in Ontario and Quebec where they don't currently exist.

 

[QV]

So . . . if not the RCMP, replacing the MP Branch with a new, separate federal policing service that is part of the DND but not the CAF? I'm confused.

If yes the RCMP, it would entail opening a bunch of new detachments in Ontario and Quebec where they don't currently exist.

They could literally just occupy the old abandoned MP dets at almost zero cost. It's not like they'll be overwhelmed with crime.

 

[lenaitch]

They could literally just occupy the old abandoned MP dets at almost zero cost. It's not like they'll be overwhelmed with crime.

True, unless they are needed for whatever remaining role exists for the MPs. I was more thinking that the RCMP is being challenged to staff the detachments it currently has, let alone opening new ones along with the support structure needed.

I don't know about the StatsCan data, traffic enforcement, etc. emanating from the bases.

 

[Cloud Cover]

They could literally just occupy the old abandoned MP dets at almost zero cost. It's not like they'll be overwhelmed with crime.

More proof things have changed. It used to be one could pension out on the Queens shilling with 30 years undetected crime. Now that’s been transformed too

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yup! Just watch what happens when CAF absorbs an entity that’s unionized and makes overtime.

Waiting with baited breath for the first job action launched under the new guv'nors

 

[Kirkhill]

Yup! Just watch what happens when CAF absorbs an entity that’s unionized and makes overtime.

You mean like the Coast Guard?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

You mean like the Coast Guard?

The CAF did not absorb the Coast Guard.

DND does not equal the CAF.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Okay, I will throw this out there: Why doesn't Canada just adopt something like this:

Home Page - MOD Police

www.mod.police.uk

 

[WestIsle]

Okay, I will throw this out there: Why doesn't Canada just adopt something like this:

Home Page - MOD Police

www.mod.police.uk

Police in the UK are weird and not well paid. We already have the RCMP and it would easily fit within their mandate and training.

 

[Furniture]

Police in the UK are weird and not well paid. We already have the RCMP and it would easily fit within their mandate and training.

Agreed, why reinvent the wheel when we have a perfectly serviceable federal police service already established. Create a "Military Policing" branch with the RCMP, and have real police doing police work so the CAF can focus on security.

 

[brihard]

Agreed, why reinvent the wheel when we have a perfectly serviceable federal police service already established. Create a "Military Policing" branch with the RCMP, and have real police doing police work so the CAF can focus on security.

Isn’t the RCMP short a couple thousand bodies? I wouldn’t see any reason to think staffing policing for CAF would get prioritized over anything else. It would also be vastly more expensive, member for member.

 

[PuckChaser]

Isn’t the RCMP short a couple thousand bodies? I wouldn’t see any reason to think staffing policing for CAF would get prioritized over anything else. It would also be vastly more expensive, member for member.

To hire an actual police force to police the CAF? I think the value proposition is there. How many botched major investigations do we have to have before we realize CFPM is deeply broken or completely beyond repair?

 

[Furniture]

Isn’t the RCMP short a couple thousand bodies? I wouldn’t see any reason to think staffing policing for CAF would get prioritized over anything else. It would also be vastly more expensive, member for member.

The CAF is also short a few thousand bodies, so which federal organization short thousands of skilled workers should bear the burden?

I'm not suggesting making the change overnight, but as far as options go, it makes more sense to me, than keeping our current MP model which produces an MP that is neither fish nor fowl.

We need dedicated professional security forces in the CAF, and at the same time we need someone to do the routine police work. Hiring actual police to do policing, while freeing up our theoretical security experts from traffic enforcement, and other police duties to do security makes a lot of sense.

 

[Furniture]

To hire an actual police force to police the CAF? I think the value proposition is there. How many botched major investigations do we have to have before we realize CFPM is deeply broken or completely beyond repair?

I figure a few more MP Sgts interfering in family court, and taking families to baseball games might get the point across.

 

[RangerRay]

Even if the RCMP got out of contract policing, I imagine the vast majority of the members will go to the new local/provincial PS’s or to the Fed side, and even then, all those new PS’s will be short. I’m not sure where the RCMP will find bodies for a new MP Branch. Maybe a couple who didn’t go Fed or local…

 

[Furniture]

Even if the RCMP got out of contract policing, I imagine the vast majority of the members will go to the new local/provincial PS’s or to the Fed side, and even then, all those new PS’s will be short. I’m not sure where the RCMP will find bodies for a new MP Branch. Maybe a couple who didn’t go Fed or local…

The RCMP will need to find ways to attract recruits, just the every other police force, military, and emergency service.

The secret isn't rocket surgery... Either pay more and offer better work life balance, or lower standards until less people are turned away. Like the CAF, I suspect the RCMP's biggest issue is recruiting process/timelines, and the perceived benefits of jumping through the hoops necessary to join/stay.

 

[Remius]

The RCMP will need to find ways to attract recruits, just the every other police force, military, and emergency service.

The secret isn't rocket surgery... Either pay more and offer better work life balance, or lower standards until less people are turned away. Like the CAF, I suspect the RCMP's biggest issue is recruiting process/timelines, and the perceived benefits of jumping through the hoops necessary to join/stay.

Adding more staffing pressures to an already short manned force isn’t going to help with retention. It certainly would not be a priority over various other areas of the org and would only weaken both orgs’ police coverage.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Okay, I will throw this out there: Why doesn't Canada just adopt something like this:

Home Page - MOD Police

www.mod.police.uk

The MOD Plods are mainly for fixed site security e.g., airfields, naval bases, barracks, communications installations etc.

We'd be better off with a beefed up Corps of Commissionaires rather than using 'real police' for those tasks.

 

[Maxman1]

We tried integrating civilian police - the Dominion Police - with military in World War I and it didn't work then.

 

[WestIsle]

Isn’t the RCMP short a couple thousand bodies? I wouldn’t see any reason to think staffing policing for CAF would get prioritized over anything else. It would also be vastly more expensive, member for member.

Postings to a base detachment would be a pretty chill gig and is the kinda small town policing a lot of members strive for. The force is also used to running detachments in all sizes so it fits like a glove in that case. It would be more expensive from the wage side but the CAF wouldnt have to pay to try and run its own police force which can be very expensive for all the background things. The only thing is that you probably want the members to be more like the tactical troop then GD background wise.