Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Halifax Tar]

And honestly the new annual bonus for the Reg F should be tied to something like this.

Say it louder so the decision makers hear this!

If you want to give a tax credit for military service, give it to the spouse.....

This too!

I've been saying exactly this for a while. Hard choices are coming.

I'm excited to see what's on the cutting block!

 

[ueo]

A military can't function that way.

You don't need that many ranks. You just need as many as you can afford to equip for immediate and foreseeable needs. When and if the time comes to build an even more massive army, you will have the time to recruit and build that force while it's equipment is being produced. Four ranks - RegF, PRes, SuppRes and Rangers is sufficient.

When we had a country of 11 million we put 1 million in uniform and the economy kept rolling and, in fact, boomed. We now have a country of 40 million and it is entirely inconceivable that we could equip and train one million, much less four. We don't need one million.

The number of folks diverted to the military won't affect that.

You see, here's where I have the problem with current usage of the reserves and it comes from the word "consistently." Under our legal definition of regular force and reserve force, there should be no consistent requirement to augment the regular force . There could be short term requirements to backfill regulars on maternity leave and the occasional natural disaster DOMOP surge, but never consistently for deployed "peacetime" operations or to bulk out the cubicles in Ottawa. Those should all be regular force tasks, planned for and recruited and filled with full-timers. All ou are doing is rotating part-timers through continuing, full-time employment positions which flies in the face of the NDA.

Reservists can only say "no" when you ask them to volunteer. The NDA, as it stands, means that a reservist cannot say "no" when the right legal authority tells them that they must go. Since we are using reservists improperly on "continuing, full-time service", no one rightfully has the guts to say "you must go."

There are structural and conceptual issues here that the RegF leadership either doesn't understand or understands full well and plays wink, wink, nudge, nudge with. During the middle stages of the Afghan mission we - at CRes & C Council - were told that the CDS expected that every reservist should volunteer to be deployed for six months or so every four to six years or so. That completely misconstrues the concept of an "other than continuous, full-time service" PRes. If, for example, we wanted to do an Obama-like surge for a year by doubling our force in an operational theatre, then I would fully agree to placing elements of the PRes on active service for that extraordinary year. That would be a proper use of the PRes under the NDA. To fill 20% of a long-standing ongoing combat mission is stretching things. To fill 20% of a peacetime deployment is not proper. And neither is decades of Class B use in Ottawa and other headquarters.

Here I fully agree. The job protection legislation sucks . . . plain and simple.

We apparently do not have the ability to forecast needs much after coffee break, let alone "foreseeable" ones.

 

[ytz]

I haven’t seen a specific thread on Golden Dome or whatever we may be up to for Continental Ground Based Interception, sometimes also referred to as IAMDS.

There's a massive staff check going on to see how upcoming space, air and missile defence projects line up with Golden Dome. When that is done, you'll start seeing more. For example, we have projects for space based radar focused on maritime detection. But that's 2-4 satellites. How many would it take to do space based AMTI? Said team is working on questions like this. Some of this is a stretch obviously. But we'll see where our stuff can plug in. Maybe we can't do AMTI but those satellites can map potential launch platforms off the coast fast enough.

I'm excited to see what's on the cutting block!

I wish it was OAS. But we know they'll f***k young people and families somehow. I'm just grateful that other than defence Carney is the first Prime Minister in my lifetime actually looking at infrastructure for future generations that isn't just about selling more oil and gas.

We apparently do not have the ability to forecast needs much after coffee break, let alone "foreseeable" ones.

We do a lot of forecasting. We need to do more building.

 

[Czech_pivo]

There's a massive staff check going on to see how upcoming space, air and missile defence projects line up with Golden Dome. When that is done, you'll start seeing more. For example, we have projects for space based radar focused on maritime detection. But that's 2-4 satellites. How many would it take to do space based AMTI? Said team is working on questions like this. Some of this is a stretch obviously. But we'll see where our stuff can plug in. Maybe we can't do AMTI but those satellites can map potential launch platforms off the coast fast enough.



I wish it was OAS. But we know they'll f***k young people and families somehow. I'm just grateful that other than defence Carney is the first Prime Minister in my lifetime actually looking at infrastructure for future generations that isn't just about selling more oil and gas.



We do a lot of forecasting. We need to do more building.

Its like that old Seinfeld episode when Jerry goes to the car rental company to pick up his rental and they tell him that they don't have a car available for him. He says, 'But I have a Reservation' and they say, 'Yes, but I'm sorry we don't have a car for you'. The jist of the storyline is that the car rental company can take a reservation but they fail at having a car confirmed and ready to offset the reservation. Canada is the car rental company, we can take the reservation but we fail at having a car available for the reservation.

 

[PrairieFella]

Back in the 70's the Garry's Jr. Ranks had the same as above but for some reason or tother was called a flaming arsehole .
Cavalry....the epitome of class .

Were you a Reg or Res Garry?

 

[lenaitch]

As has been mentioned on the Canadian Tanks thread Oryx is making it painfully obvious that all vehicles are being killed in large numbers regardless of their relative quality.

My uneducated guess is that tactics, training and procedures have a lot more relevance to survival than mechanical design.

I was thinking of a wide range of platforms; such as vessels and aircraft. A couple of guns on a modified trawler would likely be more survivable then than now.

I have been to many factories. If you think there is capacity to produce replacement modern tanks faster than replacement crews, then the sales reps have you snowed.

It was probably easier to convert an assembly line from autos to CMP trucks back then than now. It seems to take a couple of years to convert an assembly line these days.

We did make armoured vehicles back then (I don't know who) but is was probably a heavy manufacturing plant or foundry already to handle the weight. I doubt we have many now.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Were you a Reg or Res Garry?

Res.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I was thinking of a wide range of platforms; such as vessels and aircraft. A couple of guns on a modified trawler would likely be more survivable then than now.


It was probably easier to convert an assembly line from autos to CMP trucks back then than now. It seems to take a couple of years to convert an assembly line these days.

We did make armoured vehicles back then (I don't know who) but is was probably a heavy manufacturing plant or foundry already to handle the weight. I doubt we have many now.

The reality of modern manufacturing is we can make so much so fast. The problem is it takes time to make the tooling needed to do so.

A mold used in making a car might take 6 months to a year. There might be multiple molds needed. The specialized machines which will drill out ream and finish the bores on a cylinder in 12 seconds takes time to make and set.

Older manufacturing used more generalized equipment which meant you could convert it easier to other tasks faster. We also had the War Surplus agreement going on where we gathered machines from across the country and sent them where needed. My workplace for example received a boring mill and large lathe that we still use to this day.

We can produce very large numbers of anything with very few people thanks to automation and technological advancements. The initial cost to do so is very high and the time requirement is also high.

 

[ytz]

As has been mentioned on the Canadian Tanks thread Oryx is making it painfully obvious that all vehicles are being killed in large numbers regardless of their relative quality.

My uneducated guess is that tactics, training and procedures have a lot more relevance to survival than mechanical design.

You're also making the mistake of drawing lessons based on a war where the side we support has major shortcomings. What exactly would the losses on the ground be if NATO airpower was involved? War is a systems level endeavour. And you don't succeed by looking at each piece individually, as you insist on doing.

 

[Kirkhill]

I was thinking of a wide range of platforms; such as vessels and aircraft. A couple of guns on a modified trawler would likely be more survivable then than now.

Perhaps, but there again ...

One of the things I am taking from the Oryx list is the absence of any Gepard anti-aircraft tanks on it. Taken with the observation made by many others that much of the damage is being done by objects that can be manoeuvred in flight and the associated effort in developing point defence CUAS systems then I think that bolt on anti-air systems would realistically improve the survivability of any platform. And there I would include stationary platforms like roof tops.

https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-download/Air-Defence/D994e0222-Oerlikon-Skyranger-30.pdf

The older Millenium 35 system has already been deployed on trucks, ships and on pallets at airfields.

And smaller autonomous bolt on systems are being deployed.

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So, in some senses, I think some vessels could be made safer across some arcs - enough to be useful.

It was probably easier to convert an assembly line from autos to CMP trucks back then than now. It seems to take a couple of years to convert an assembly line these days.

Could we just adopt an existing production standard as the CMP standard? I suspect that modern trucks are considerably better engineered than the commercial trucks that were contemporary with the CMPs. And multi-wheel drive, off-road capability is fairly widely available.

We did make armoured vehicles back then (I don't know who) but is was probably a heavy manufacturing plant or foundry already to handle the weight. I doubt we have many now.

As I recall it was foundries and companies that supported the railways that made the switch to building armoured vehicles. I don't know how many of those we have left and if they would be needed to continue supporting their existing customers.

 

[Czech_pivo]

NextStar Energy expands Windsor, Ont. plant to power growing demand for grid-scale batteries​

NextStar Energy in Windsor, Ont., Canada’s first large-scale lithium-ion battery manufacturer, is expanding its operations to include energy storage system batteries.

The company has already hired over 1,000 people with mass production expected to begin in the coming weeks.

NextStar Energy expands Windsor, Ont. plant to power growing demand for grid-scale batteries

NextStar Energy in Windsor, Ont., Canada’s first large-scale lithium-ion battery manufacturer, is expanding its operations to include energy storage system batteries.

www.ctvnews.ca

Please remember that LG Electronics is a SK firm. This is an example of pre-existing SK investments in Canada prior to the potential SK sub deal.

 

[FJAG]

The reality of modern manufacturing is we can make so much so fast. The problem is it takes time to make the tooling needed to do so.

You are exactly right. The other aspect is that there haven't been very many advances in a basic car or truck models outside of the engine. Wheels, tires, seats, frames etc are pretty much stable. In other words an SMP truck designed and tooled for today would still be able to use the vast bulk of the original tools and dies decades into the future so long as modifications are possible to adapt to available future engines.

The army should simply settle on a range of given vehicle types (and SEVs) and commission and maintain the plant on a long term - basically perpetual - investment basis. Build just enough vehicles yearly to keep the fleet refreshed on a continuous basis and to provide the parts required for ongoing maintenance. If a surge is needed then the line already exists and the shifts simply need to be increased. In the long run this will be less expensive.

We need to get off these orgies of fleet refreshes every few decades where we continue to buy fewer and fewer until our logistics need for LSCO simply can't be met.

 

[YZT580]

There's a massive staff check going on to see how upcoming space, air and missile defence projects line up with Golden Dome. When that is done, you'll start seeing more. For example, we have projects for space based radar focused on maritime detection. But that's 2-4 satellites. How many would it take to do space based AMTI? Said team is working on questions like this. Some of this is a stretch obviously. But we'll see where our stuff can plug in. Maybe we can't do AMTI but those satellites can map potential launch platforms off the coast fast enough.



I wish it was OAS. But we know they'll f***k young people and families somehow. I'm just grateful that other than defence Carney is the first Prime Minister in my lifetime actually looking at infrastructure for future generations that isn't just about selling more oil and gas.



We do a lot of forecasting. We need to do more building.

you need the oil, gas, rare earth minerals to pay for all the rest. Be careful that you don't kill the goose

 

[Cloud Cover]

There's a massive staff check going on to see how upcoming space, air and missile defence projects line up with Golden Dome. When that is done, you'll start seeing more. For example, we have projects for space based radar focused on maritime detection. But that's 2-4 satellites. How many would it take to do space based AMTI? Said team is working on questions like this. Some of this is a stretch obviously. But we'll see where our stuff can plug in. Maybe we can't do AMTI but those satellites can map potential launch platforms off the coast fast enough.



I wish it was OAS. But we know they'll f***k young people and families somehow. I'm just grateful that other than defence Carney is the first Prime Minister in my lifetime actually looking at infrastructure for future generations that isn't just about selling more oil and gas.



We do a lot of forecasting. We need to do more building.

Why kill OAS? A lot of people depend on that. I’d rather see the federal government shrink significantly and get out of provincial programs before taking OAS away.
Unless you are suggesting Means Testing and also taking it away from people who retired to Canada…