Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[SeaKingTacco]

Then bases become enclosed systems, no problem, enough housing on bases for all, plus child care, and primary school within walking distance of housing area.

And the complaint cycle will begin anew that the CAF is a society apart from Mainstream Canada…

 

[MilEME09]

And the complaint cycle will begin anew that the CAF is a society apart from Mainstream Canada…

If the modernization plan comes to fruition, mainstream society is going have to come to realize we cant be using ghe same resources as them

 

[Eaglelord17]

And the complaint cycle will begin anew that the CAF is a society apart from Mainstream Canada…

It is, how many people do you know who go to jail if they fail to show up to work? Or refuse to do something? Or even just tell your boss they are a idiot?

How many people have a boss who can order to travel/move across the country or the world in a instant without your consent?

It is a society apart and as such has different needs to your general society. If the public doesn’t like the ‘perks’ maybe they should join.

 

[KevinB]

It is, how many people do you know who go to jail if they fail to show up to work? Or refuse to do something? Or even just tell your boss they are a idiot?

How many people have a boss who can order to travel/move across the country or the world in a instant without your consent?

It is a society apart and as such has different needs to your general society. If the public doesn’t like the ‘perks’ maybe they should join.

He was just pointing out a complaint that had been made before that created devastation to the CAF in the mind of fairness.

 

[markppcli]

Nah, they can get memberships to clubs of their choice. Win win.

On a side note how many single members without children still go to the mess in large enough numbers to justify the expense? Asking.

Base dependant, the JRs in Shilo is busy. That said I wouldn't see my mess dues going to child care as being a second class citizen. I have a weird thing where I like knowing everyone is supported though.

 

[Remius]

Base dependant, the JRs in Shilo is busy. That said I wouldn't see my mess dues going to child care as being a second class citizen. I have a weird thing where I like knowing everyone is supported though.

And what about the public funds that go into messes? Get rid of dues altogether. Spend the public funds and use the infrastructure for child care with a user fee for CAF members participating.

Anyways, not saying it’s a good idea but some places could do that.

Pretty sure if we made mess dues optional messes would die mostly.

 

[markppcli]

And what about the public funds that go into messes? Get rid of dues altogether. Spend the public funds and use the infrastructure for child care with a user fee for CAF members participating.

Anyways, not saying it’s a good idea but some places could do that.

Pretty sure if we made mess dues optional messes would die mostly.

Probably - I suppose the counter point is that some of these more remote locations have functional messes that do provide valuable service to members. Probably could be replaced by something different but no pub is going to open on a base where they can't sell beer at lunch.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Probably - I suppose the counter point is that some of these more remote locations have functional messes that do provide valuable service to members. Probably could be replaced by something different but no pub is going to open on a base where they can't sell beer at lunch.

Troops drink beer at lunch... on a work day?

 

[Remius]

Probably - I suppose the counter point is that some of these more remote locations have functional messes that do provide valuable service to members. Probably could be replaced by something different but no pub is going to open on a base where they can't sell beer at lunch.

Oh I know the value of messes so it isn’t something I would want to just go away but supply and demand seems to be lacking.

I was posting that suggestion more in jest but I could see a business case for it in some places.

 

[Remius]

Troops drink beer at lunch... on a work day?

Current Div policy here is no drinking in uniform anywhere beyond messes. Which is weird because all other L1s can do it here…

 

[Fabius]

Canada ranks low on military oversight: study | Globalnews.ca

Canada maintains a low level of civilian oversight of the military due to rigid party discipline, according to a new book that compares it with fourteen other democracies.

globalnews.ca

A good article on the relationship between Parliament and the CAF, with the GoC and DND in the middle.
It’s a fundamental problem in our culture amongst all the players.