Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[dangerboy]

In some Scottish units the kilt and accessories such as the sporran are issued to the member by the unit RQ.

 

[Underway]

Europe is where 95% of our lads are buried. We should never forgive Europe for that, never mind who started it and who dragged us in and whatever the arrangement in Europe are right now. It's their fault for letting things get to that point, and it always will be. We should never let them off the hook for that.

All of Canada's wars post confederation were voluntary. We could have said no. We didn't. If anything we should be mad at the UK for dragging us in at least in WW1. Not Europe. We made a choice to fight.

I want our vaunted PM and Defence Minister to publicly make that clear, because if they do not then you know exactly who will. If he does not, it just looks like Europe is extorting money to be part of a club and that's no different behaviour than Trumps tariffs.

As a business deal, we need the numbers. That's important for us as voters to decide if paying for access was worth it. Of course that will mean we likely need to make a lot of sales or perhaps save a lot of money with the interest rates. So the payoff might be many years into the future.

And they should always pay their respects and grant us extra consideration. No pushback, no talk back, no smug European BS. They should feel an obligation to open the door and forget the door charge. For once we need them, and it looks like they they want to charge a a multi billion dollar access fee that our government won't even admit of it's existence. It's complete BS, even the CBC has picked up on that.

As far as "they should always pay their respects" what is this? You think we're ENTITLED to something because grandpa fought in Europe 80 years ago? We essentially abandoned our NATO obligations for the last 50 years. You earn respect every day, and once you lose it, you have to work to get it back. We, three generations removed from the one that fought, have no entitlement to anything our grandparents did, we literally have wasted the family fortune of goodwill with 60 years of neglect.

The fact that we signed this deal before the UK, and the fact they let us join at all, says a lot about what we are to many people in Europe, otherwise we wouldn't be able to join in the first place. So there is still goodwill.

As far as need them? No, I think we're equal partners here. We don't really need them, but getting access the EU military spending is potentially a big deal.

 

[Czech_pivo]

All of Canada's wars post confederation were voluntary. We could have said no. We didn't. If anything we should be mad at the UK for dragging us in at least in WW1. Not Europe. We made a choice to fight.

As a business deal, we need the numbers. That's important for us as voters to decide if paying for access was worth it. Of course that will mean we likely need to make a lot of sales or perhaps save a lot of money with the interest rates. So the payoff might be many years into the future.


As far as "they should always pay their respects" what is this? You think we're ENTITLED to something because grandpa fought in Europe 80 years ago? We essentially abandoned our NATO obligations for the last 50 years. You earn respect every day, and once you lose it, you have to work to get it back. We, three generations removed from the one that fought, have no entitlement to anything our grandparents did, we literally have wasted the family fortune of goodwill with 60 years of neglect.

The fact that we signed this deal before the UK, and the fact they let us join at all, says a lot about what we are to many people in Europe, otherwise we wouldn't be able to join in the first place. So there is still goodwill.

As far as need them? No, I think we're equal partners here. We don't really need them, but getting access the EU military spending is potentially a big deal.

Spot on.
We have rested on the laurels of men and women who sadly are just about all gone now.

 

[Kirkhill]

so preferential access to 150B in potential work for canadian companies is getting hosed now? The deal isn't fully inked so once its 100% official and signed we will get the details, but its likely final negotiations are still on going thus why he wont comment

The Brits declined the offer because the proposed membership fee was too steep.

 

[Eaglelord17]

All of Canada's wars post confederation were voluntary. We could have said no. We didn't. If anything we should be mad at the UK for dragging us in at least in WW1. Not Europe. We made a choice to fight.

We wanted to fight those wars, the reality was Canadians at that time considered themselves British mainly not Canadians.

Keep in mind the Brits were also the only reason we were able to retain our sovereignty. Without them the US would have annexed us so it isn’t like we received no benefit from them either.

 

[Kirkhill]

Oh wow. McGuinty wont say how much we have to pay to join, so that we can buy European equipment and help to defend Europe.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we are in, but I'm sick and tired of seeing Ottawa agreeing to have this country continuously get hosed by Europe.

For all we have done for them in the past 100 years, we should be in without any fee and have priority on everything there is to be offered or sold. Feeling grinch towards the Eurotrash this morning.

EU-UK talks on defense deal break down

London and Brussels clashed over how much the U.K. would have to pay to take part.

www.politico.eu

They feel much the same way about the Brits.
And the French and the new Germans are not getting along....again.

UK-EU talks on €150bn defence fund collapse over entry fee row | The latest National and International News - upday News

Negotiations for the UK to join the European Union's €150 billion Security Action for Europe defence fund collapsed on Friday after the two sides failed to agree on Britain's financial contribution. The breakdown, which came ahead of Sunday's project bid deadline, marks a significant setback for...

www.upday.com

If they are not squabbling over Anglo-Saxons they are falling out over Future Combat Aircraft and Long Range Precision Fires.

....

We would do better with JEF but I doubt if that would go down well in Quebec.

 

[FJAG]

makes zero sense since the DEU belongs to the member after issue and is not recoverable

In some Scottish units the kilt and accessories such as the sporran are issued to the member by the unit RQ.

Exactly - in the Winnipeg Camerons - the other Blue Hackles - the DEU "highland cut) coat, shirts, ties and shoes were issued by DND. But the kilt, sporran, headdress, the green patrol jacket, even the socks were issued from the regimental stock of uniforms.

The unit receives grants to purchase and to annually maintain that kit.

210.346 - GRANTS TO UNITS FOR THE PURCHASE AND MAINTENANCE OF KILTED ORDERS OF DRESS - RESERVE FORCE​

(1) Subject to paragraph (2) of this article, grants for the purpose of providing and maintaining selected items of clothing, as prescribed in paragraph (3) of this article, for wear with kilted orders of dress for officers and non-commissioned members of the Reserve Force, may be paid to the commanding officer of a Reserve Force unit authorized to wear kilted orders of dress:

1. when a unit is established, for each member on the authorized strength, an initial purchase grant equal to 60 per cent of the combined cost of the prescribed items of clothing, but not exceeding $253;
2. when the authorized strength of an existing unit is increased, for each member brought on the added authorized strength, the initial purchase grant as prescribed in subparagraph (a) of this paragraph;
3. for each member on the strength of a unit, but not exceeding the authorized strength, an annual maintenance grant in the amount of $40; and
4. in accordance with any orders issued by the Chief of the Defence Staff.

(1 April 1984)

(2) Grants are not payable in respect of units for which kilted orders of dress are otherwise provided and maintained at public expense.

(3) Grants shall be paid for the purpose of purchasing and maintaining the kilt, the sporran, the hose and the balmoral.

But essentially its a limited stock that needs careful - but not crass - accounting for.

 

[dapaterson]

Exactly - in the Winnipeg Camerons - the other Blue Hackles - the DEU "highland cut) coat, shirts, ties and shoes were issued by DND. But the kilt, sporran, headdress, the green patrol jacket, even the socks were issued from the regimental stock of uniforms.

The unit receives grants to purchase and to annually maintain that kit.



But essentially its a limited stock that needs careful - but not crass - accounting for.

Except that the floodgates have been more or less opened to use public funds to procure kilts & accessories now; many of the grants are obsolete.

 

[YZT580]

The Brits declined the offer because the proposed membership fee was too steep.

and they are broke

 

[daftandbarmy]

Except that the floodgates have been more or less opened to use public funds to procure kilts & accessories now; many of the grants are obsolete.

Thank Gawd....

We can finally purchase feather bonnets and scarlet doublets

 

[FJAG]

Except that the floodgates have been more or less opened to use public funds to procure kilts & accessories now; many of the grants are obsolete.

Are they still managed by regiments or is it a direct issue from clothing stores?

Other than receiving and returning the kit it really never concerned me in the Camerons.

I do remember as RSS that the DCO of 26th Field would tear his hair out annually over band and kilt grants for the regiment's pipes and drums - yes - an artillery regiment with pipes and drums and dearly beloved at joint mess dinners at Minot AFB every year. The You'all fly boys just loved Canadian scarlet mess kit and pipes and drums.

 

[Kirkhill]

and they are broke

Well, that kind of depends. Do you believe the Chancellor today or not?

They are so f*cked.

 

[lenaitch]

I'm an outsider and don't pretend to understand all the machinations but, just an example, our daughter falls under CFMWS (not MFRC) and she has been told, repeatedly, that when the Base Commander issues a standdown for bad weather, pre-major holiday, or whatever, that the BC's direction does not apply to her. Part of problem is a lot of the managers and areas she reports to have been centralized and may be across the country.

My suggestion was that if she got in a collision because she had to stay at work when it was deemed unsafe for others, that the manager should be named in the lawsuit.

 

[ytz]

The Brits declined the offer because the proposed membership fee was too steep.

Rumoured to be 10x what we are paying in. But that's largely because of how the UK plays in the European defence market already.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Way, way back into the 60's and 70's, was federal spending for the extraction, processing and then stockpile counted as defence spending? I think it was, at least in Sudbury.

That being said there's little chance that either of these two companies has any stomach for dealing with Ottawa in such an arrangement unless they have to.

Vale, Glencore mull historic partnership to pursue copper in Sudbury

Rivalry aside, joint venture opportunity could plumb the depths below shuttered Nickel Rim South mine

www.northernontariobusiness.com

 

[McG]

For all we have done for them in the past 100 years …

Europe is where 95% of our lads are buried.

If every generation is entitled based on virtues of their forebears, then every generation is liable for the sins of their forebears. And “in the past 100 years” sort of misrepresented one big thing we did 80 to 90 years ago.

It's their fault for letting things get to that point, and it always will be.

Are you blaming Europe for Russia becoming a violent expansionist state? Or is the complaint that Europe maintained their military capability only slightly better on average than did Canada?

You think we're ENTITLED to something because grandpa fought in Europe 80 years ago?

… if Grandpa fought in Europe then you might be old.